5/13 am close encounters of the furry kind

[Sarcastic Fringehead]

Originally Posted by Ed

I have been fishing offshore San Diego for over forty years and have seen some dead sea dogs, but never one I could tell was shot. Lots of things can kill a sea lion, including old age, disease and starvation. What is your definition of plenty?. Come on, sounds like a huge exaggeration. Is it just where I'm fishing, or do all you guys see shot dogs regularly?. Yeah, right. The feds made slingshots legal for a reason, and they are the ones in charge of protecting the beasts. As for being afraid of pissing one off with my slingshot, the next one that gets too close to my yak gets a new beauty mark. If it pisses him off, he gets another beauty mark. There's a pattern there.

It's actually not an exaggeration. But since you clearly think I have no idea what I'm talking about, why don't you ask a colleague of mine, Jim Carretta (who's been conducting pinniped and cetacean population studies for NMFS out of the La Jolla office) how many sea lions they come across on a yearly basis in S. Cal. that are dead as the result of gunshot wounds. Then after you get that number, and it's a big one, keep in mind it represents only a small fraction of the actual total, since the ones that are logged are only those that were floating and were observed. But that's a different debate. Use a slingshot if you feel inclined.

[Ed]

I didn't question how many shot sea lions researchers get turned in. I question you seeing them on any kind of a regular basis when fishing. How many have you reported to authorities?. Got any pics you have taken?. I spend a lot of time on the water and have for many years. I believe you are exaggerating and at the same time you are blaming anglers for these fantasy kills. That plays right into the hands of PETA. If you want to FU the future of our sport, keep making crap up and blaming it on anglers. And you never answered the question, how many shot dogs do YOU see? Where?. FYI - Most of those floating dogs you see are sleeping, even the ones with the flipper sticking straight up.

lol

[Sarcastic Fringehead]

That is funny. I guess my only time on the water that counts is from a kayak in La Jolla? And the ones with the gunshot wounds that are discovered were shot by non-anglers? Interesting. You make some great points. I'm a marine biologist by the way, and do, believe it or not, happen to know the difference between a sleeping and dead pinniped. I said it's lame to kill them. I didn't accuse kayakers of being the ones shooting them- though I've read plenty of posts from people who've said they'd like to. Say whatever you want...I'm done with this arguement.

[Ed]

So how many have you seen working or fishing?. You are deliberately evasive. You also blamed anglers again, and I'm not just talking about yakfishers but all anglers. There are a lot of ocean users and boat and property owners who don't like sea lions. Any biologist worth his salt knows that. There are also twisted individuals that just like to shoot things. You stated you've seen plenty of sea lions shot by some fisherman. A biologist should have a least some data to back up their rhetoric. You know, numbers, a bios stock and trade. What makes you so sure it was anglers? You can't even confirm how many you've seen. Sounds like you have an antifishing agenda. I suspect you are an emotional technician in training rather than a seasoned biologist. I can understand why you don't want to dig your hole any deeper.

[lambadmin]

Take a note new gang…

3 subjects with high likelihood to result in lively discussions on kayak fishing boards:

-Eating calicos
-GW shark
-Seals – kill ‘em or not…




C’mon Ed and Sarcastic Fringehead…

Old BWE material, both registered in 2005….

Sign up for WCW and come fish with us tomorrow.

Finish your seal discussion over a burger and a cold soda (sorry, no beer allowed in the park).

Crap, I said to myself I was going to stop lobbying for WCW…

[dgax65]

Originally Posted by lambadmin

Take a note new gang…

3 subjects with high likelihood to result in lively discussions on kayak fishing boards:

-Eating calicos
-GW shark
-Seals – kill ‘em or not…

Last time I was out I saw a GWS attack a sea lion that had caught, but not released, a calico. I'm just saying......

[madscientist]

I've put over 400 days in at LJ in the last couple of years, I know many other friends that fish hard as well, and I have never seen nor known someone who has seen a dead sea lion OTW, gunshot or otherwise.

Wasn't there a story last year of sea lions being killed for their gonads (apparently considered an aphrodiasic in some parts of the world)? Might not just be anglers popping them.

[wavster]

Originally Posted by lambadmin

Crap, I said to myself I was going to stop lobbying for WCW…

Keep lobbying Adi! Only 18 hours until lines can be dropped and less than 24 hours until the final whistle blows!

[Afran]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic Fringehead

Say whatever you want...I'm done with this arguement.