Launch Ramp in process - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Nic D · 03-22-2010, 03:30 PM

all photos taken via p&s camera

at this rate (3 city workers standing around) the ramp should be finished by June

Quilted Germ · 03-22-2010, 03:48 PM

That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright...

sandydiego · 03-22-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Quilted Germ

That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright...

Ouch!

teto116 · 03-22-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Quilted Germ

That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright...

they must of had some cuts also!

dsafety · 03-22-2010, 05:24 PM

The shovels were eliminated late last year in a budget cutting move. As for the guys standing around, they were waiting on instructions from the boss who was at a union meeting. (he did not clock out). At the meeting the discussion was about reducing excessive workloads and increasing pension benefits.

Welcome to America's Finest City.

Bob

467echo · 03-22-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quilted Germ

That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright...

look to the left in pic #3

T Bone · 03-22-2010, 06:17 PM

hopefully it will be all concrete with a big footing.

Rob929 · 03-22-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by T Bone

hopefully it will be all concrete with a big footing.

I was hoping the same thing- It's embarrassing when my 2WD "Off Road" truck gets stuck in the sand

forefrazier · 03-22-2010, 07:58 PM

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I was hoping the same thing- It's embarrassing when my 2WD "Off Road" truck gets stuck in the sand

Isn't that an oxymoron? 2wd "offroad" truck? LOL. I finally have 4x4 and I think the only time I have actually used it is in the sandy launch at LJ..HAHa@!

cioppino · 03-22-2010, 08:02 PM

Not sure what time you were down there Nic, but I launched around one and the scene looked very busy. There were at least ten city workers making sure that the three guys working were well entertained. Thats how the city and government does it though. Cant wait till big brother takes over healthcare!

Seriously though it did look like a few city engineers and planners were there. Maybe this time they are going to make a more permanent solution to the problem. Hopefully it doesnt include installing a GATE!

TCS · 03-22-2010, 08:08 PM

I can't believe you're complaining about them sending too many people to fix the launch. When I went by this morning they were making great progress. I thanked them for doing the work. Would it make you happier to see one dude with no power tools busting his ass for a month with a crappy result?

Just head south to mexico and see what that gets you.

They said it would take a week, most of it curing time. I'm looking forward to driving onto the beach again.

Nic D · 03-22-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TCS

I can't believe you're complaining about them sending too many people to fix the launch.

Im guessing that the remarks were sarcastic in nature...

Tman · 03-22-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cioppino

Not sure what time you were down there Nic, but I launched around one and the scene looked very busy. There were at least ten city workers making sure that the three guys working were well entertained. Thats how the city and government does it though. Cant wait till big brother takes over healthcare!

That's because they knew their bosses would be back from their Martini lunches around that time...

Rob929 · 03-22-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by forefrazier

Isn't that an oxymoron? 2wd "offroad" truck? LOL. I finally have 4x4 and I think the only time I have actually used it is in the sandy launch at LJ..HAHa@!

Yep- that's why it's funny.. It's a toyota with the TRD off-road package, they just forgot the 4 wheel drive! (its mostly a suspension and limited slip diff package).. If I'm not mistaken, chevy has a similar Z-71 "off-road" truck that is 2wd as well. Its all for marketing I suppose. I didnt know at the time when I bought it how handy 4wd would have been

Next time for sure, even if just for LJ!

Anyway, sorry to go off topic. I am impressed as well that the city seems to be getting humpty dumpty back together again- a surprise ending. I'm curious to see what the engineers think up to prevent this from happening again and what, if any, upgrades will be made.

Billy V · 03-23-2010, 12:46 AM

100 yards of #3200 psi concrete and some #5 rebar should do the trick.

WahooUSMA · 03-23-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TCS

I can't believe you're complaining about them sending too many people to fix the launch. When I went by this morning they were making great progress. I thanked them for doing the work. Would it make you happier to see one dude with no power tools busting his ass for a month with a crappy result?

Just head south to mexico and see what that gets you.

They said it would take a week, most of it curing time. I'm looking forward to driving onto the beach again.

And they have power tools too!

j mo · 03-23-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Quilted Germ

That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright...

cjthomas · 03-23-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by forefrazier

Isn't that an oxymoron? 2wd "offroad" truck? LOL. I finally have 4x4 and I think the only time I have actually used it is in the sandy launch at LJ..HAHa@!

Not if it is a prerunner or trophy truck.

-scallywag- · 03-23-2010, 10:09 AM

I'm no hydraulic engineer but I think the real problem is the storm water drain.

Once the outlet to the storm waterdrain gets plugged during a rain storm, the drain builds up significant backpressure, and I believe there is a leak somewhere near where the bobcat is hammering in the last picture. That leak undermines the street, which eventually collapsed.

I have been at the launch during heavy rains and seen the water pooring out of the leaky pipe drain from under the road, and shooting up out of cracks in the sidewalk, while the metal/wood cage at the outlet looked like a guiser.

Like others have said I'm just glad they are fixing it period....just be glad we're not in one of those less access friendly citys to the north, then it would take two years and a couple lawsuits to get work started.

Billy V · 03-23-2010, 10:32 AM

Water from runoff and storm surge would undermine the old concrete slab, and it would fall away.

There was No Rebar in this slab to prevent it from collapsing when its dirt/sand base would wash out.

The correct method would be to dig out, and install large footings similar to what is holding up Scripps Pier.
You don't see those things moving do you.... That type of treated/reinforced concrete holds up well.
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They could also excavate the area and drop in large rock. Similar to what you see in jetty construction. Then pour concrete over the top.
-That would be my method.
The rock would interlock and allow for drainage. It would not wash away. If necessary the top coat of concrete could be periodically renewed as necessary.

But Hey - What the hell do I know.

03-22-2010, 03:30 PM	#1
Nic D Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Clairemont Posts: 813	Launch Ramp in process all photos taken via p&s camera at this rate (3 city workers standing around) the ramp should be finished by June

03-22-2010, 03:48 PM	#2
Quilted Germ Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cardiff, Ca Posts: 185	That's weird...normally they use shovels to hold themselves upright... __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan

03-22-2010, 06:17 PM	#7
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	hopefully it will be all concrete with a big footing. __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

03-22-2010, 05:24 PM	#5
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	The shovels were eliminated late last year in a budget cutting move. As for the guys standing around, they were waiting on instructions from the boss who was at a union meeting. (he did not clock out). At the meeting the discussion was about reducing excessive workloads and increasing pension benefits. Welcome to America's Finest City. Bob

03-22-2010, 08:02 PM	#10
cioppino Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: La Jolla Posts: 94	Not sure what time you were down there Nic, but I launched around one and the scene looked very busy. There were at least ten city workers making sure that the three guys working were well entertained. Thats how the city and government does it though. Cant wait till big brother takes over healthcare! Seriously though it did look like a few city engineers and planners were there. Maybe this time they are going to make a more permanent solution to the problem. Hopefully it doesnt include installing a GATE!

03-22-2010, 08:08 PM	#11
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	I can't believe you're complaining about them sending too many people to fix the launch. When I went by this morning they were making great progress. I thanked them for doing the work. Would it make you happier to see one dude with no power tools busting his ass for a month with a crappy result? Just head south to mexico and see what that gets you. They said it would take a week, most of it curing time. I'm looking forward to driving onto the beach again.

03-23-2010, 12:46 AM	#15
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	100 yards of #3200 psi concrete and some #5 rebar should do the trick.

03-23-2010, 10:09 AM	#19
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	I'm no hydraulic engineer but I think the real problem is the storm water drain. Once the outlet to the storm waterdrain gets plugged during a rain storm, the drain builds up significant backpressure, and I believe there is a leak somewhere near where the bobcat is hammering in the last picture. That leak undermines the street, which eventually collapsed. I have been at the launch during heavy rains and seen the water pooring out of the leaky pipe drain from under the road, and shooting up out of cracks in the sidewalk, while the metal/wood cage at the outlet looked like a guiser. Like others have said I'm just glad they are fixing it period....just be glad we're not in one of those less access friendly citys to the north, then it would take two years and a couple lawsuits to get work started.

03-23-2010, 10:32 AM	#20
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Water from runoff and storm surge would undermine the old concrete slab, and it would fall away. There was No Rebar in this slab to prevent it from collapsing when its dirt/sand base would wash out. The correct method would be to dig out, and install large footings similar to what is holding up Scripps Pier. You don't see those things moving do you.... That type of treated/reinforced concrete holds up well. ----------------------------- They could also excavate the area and drop in large rock. Similar to what you see in jetty construction. Then pour concrete over the top. -That would be my method. The rock would interlock and allow for drainage. It would not wash away. If necessary the top coat of concrete could be periodically renewed as necessary. But Hey - What the hell do I know.