Scupper type cart question - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

T Bone · 01-26-2010, 03:37 PM

I need a new cart and was thinking of building the scupper type.I heard from somewhere that they can damage the scuppers.Has anyone had this experience?If you have one do you like it?

tony · 01-26-2010, 05:53 PM

The seam in the middle of the scupper hole tubes is the weakest part of the kayak mold. Constant jarring and banging within those scupper tubes could break the seam and start a leak.If you dont frequently go a lot of distance with the cart it probably doesnt matter, but if you develop a leak later its probably the scupper tubes. If you want to be super safe, pad the poles that go thru the scuppers as well as the area of the cart where the kayak sits, and perhaps goop the scupper tubes from inside your kayak. Scupper tube leaks can also develop from cranking down too hard on your vehicle tie down straps.The scupper carts are fast and easy, so it might save you that valuable minute or so when a cold beer is screaming your name at the landing. Unless you like building your own stuff it might be easier and about the same price to find a used one (scupper or sit on/with strap). I built one from PVC and it kind of sucked, but others on this site that are more mechanically inclined have had success.

miguelitro · 01-26-2010, 06:03 PM

two things-

I make my own carts by bending tube to fit an axle, custom for each kayak. really easy to make with the right tools, just a little heavy, but hey less likely to get stolen.
I have no pics right now, i should get some!
If you are still in need i will probably have some time soon if you are still looking. I usually charge beer and materials but it will last forever

secondly-
Your sig is awesome! The mayor of Law St. starts our xmas brunch prayer with that every year(for the last 25 years minus a couple) and it made me smile with a flood of the great memories!

Mike

ronbo613 · 01-26-2010, 07:18 PM

I've built scupper dollies and cradle dollies. Scupper dollies are fine; but cradle dollies are better; you can use them with any kayak.
Make your own decision: you can make either one yourself.

dgax65 · 01-27-2010, 08:52 AM

I have no personal experience with the scupper-type carts, but i have seen more than a few reports on various forums of damaged/leaking scuppers as a result of using this type of cart. The scuppers are the weakest part of your kayak, so why would you want to subject them to repeated wear and shock? A standard cart would probably be better.

BTW; there are at least two AKFF members who have launched with the scupper carts still installed. They couldn't figure out where all the drag was coming from until they got back to the ramp.

Quilted Germ · 01-27-2010, 09:05 AM

So much easier to just go buy a dolly type. I've experienced the damaged scupper due to the scupper type and had to have it professionally fixed....just not even worth the arguement....IMO, that is....

T Bone · 01-27-2010, 06:31 PM

I actually have a dolly type that I made,It just slips out from under the yak sometimes when I am dragging it aalong the sand at the CG station on NPH or it comes out from under when I hit that screwy driveway aat baby beach in Dana.I could probably just figure out a better way to strap it and be better off.Definitely seems like the no votes rule.I just thought the hobie carts were were scupper type and would be OK.

fishinkid2010 · 01-27-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by T Bone

I just thought the hobie carts were were scupper type and would be OK.

You are correct, the Hobie carts are the scupper style. But if I'm not mistaken, Hobie reinforces their scuppers in order to accommodate the stress put on them.

Billy V · 01-27-2010, 08:24 PM

I have not had any problem with a scupper cart, even transporting a loaded kayak - bait tank, with 4 rods, dry bags in the hull, etc.

I also have a Hobie cart for sale with all terrain wheels, its strong.
$50

Useful Idiot · 01-28-2010, 12:52 PM

We've repaired countless scupper holes at OEX that have been damaged by those type of carts. When they were more popular we probably had one or two repairs a week caused by scupper carts. We haven't carried or recommended scupper carts for years. Go with the cradle style.

fishes · 01-28-2010, 01:42 PM

I too was wondering about the scupper carts but then I saw this. The guy who posted said the damage was due to the scupper type carts and pulling too hard on them. I don't have wheels as of yet but I will be going with the alternative.

Adam12 · 01-28-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fishes

I too was wondering about the scupper carts but then I saw this. The guy who posted said the damage was due to the scupper type carts and pulling too hard on them. I don't have wheels as of yet but I will be going with the alternative.

That to me looks like the cart posts werent all the way through the scuppers when the cart was being used, since the damage is at the bottom of the scuppers.

Gino · 01-28-2010, 02:26 PM

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BTW; there are at least two AKFF members who have launched with the scupper carts still installed. They couldn't figure out where all the drag was coming from until they got back to the ramp.

:notw orthy:

Billy V · 01-28-2010, 09:00 PM

Maybe the Hobies are stronger boats. I never had a problem on my last 3 kayaks.

miguelitro · 01-28-2010, 09:26 PM

i looked at cart when i bought my sled but i could not find any that held it high enough for me to drag it with out bending low. Mine is about a foot.5 off the ground and i can stand up while dragging it to the beach which i think makes a big difference...
ps scuppers are for peeing in

Mike

ronbo613 · 01-29-2010, 02:49 PM

Since I usually have to haul my kayak over rocks, logs and up and down steep hills; it's a little higher off the ground than a "standard' cart.
Cradle dollies have the advantage of being able to use them with different kayaks; one size fits all.

Duke · 01-29-2010, 11:57 PM

Did you make that yourself?

ronbo613 · 01-31-2010, 03:57 PM

Yep: it's "custom built". You can make one too.

Siebler · 01-31-2010, 05:21 PM

Hobie carts work without damage because they are designed to be used together. The posts on the cart allow for very very little movement in the scuppers which cuts down a lot on the wear and tear of the scuppers.

Other than Hobie Kayaks being used with Hobie Carts I 100% recommend the cradle style carts. Like Brian said we repair a ton of scuppers that crack from bad carts.

senojmj · 02-02-2010, 05:28 AM

This is why I come to this site often, you learn something new all the time. I started with a homemade cradle cart, but found to be hard to load the boat. The cart would always slip out when I would be securing it to the cart. I then went to a scupper cart. After this "intervention" I am going to back to the cradle cart. Is there a trick to getting the cart not to slip out while loading it?

01-26-2010, 03:37 PM	#1
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	Scupper type cart question I need a new cart and was thinking of building the scupper type.I heard from somewhere that they can damage the scuppers.Has anyone had this experience?If you have one do you like it? __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

01-26-2010, 05:53 PM	#2
tony Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: La Jolla Posts: 130	The seam in the middle of the scupper hole tubes is the weakest part of the kayak mold. Constant jarring and banging within those scupper tubes could break the seam and start a leak.If you dont frequently go a lot of distance with the cart it probably doesnt matter, but if you develop a leak later its probably the scupper tubes. If you want to be super safe, pad the poles that go thru the scuppers as well as the area of the cart where the kayak sits, and perhaps goop the scupper tubes from inside your kayak. Scupper tube leaks can also develop from cranking down too hard on your vehicle tie down straps.The scupper carts are fast and easy, so it might save you that valuable minute or so when a cold beer is screaming your name at the landing. Unless you like building your own stuff it might be easier and about the same price to find a used one (scupper or sit on/with strap). I built one from PVC and it kind of sucked, but others on this site that are more mechanically inclined have had success. Last edited by tony; 01-26-2010 at 06:48 PM.

01-26-2010, 07:18 PM	#4
ronbo613 Waterman At Large Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On the Water Posts: 199	I've built scupper dollies and cradle dollies. Scupper dollies are fine; but cradle dollies are better; you can use them with any kayak. Make your own decision: you can make either one yourself. __________________ Kayak Fishing Photos and Video

01-27-2010, 08:52 AM	#5
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	I have no personal experience with the scupper-type carts, but i have seen more than a few reports on various forums of damaged/leaking scuppers as a result of using this type of cart. The scuppers are the weakest part of your kayak, so why would you want to subject them to repeated wear and shock? A standard cart would probably be better. BTW; there are at least two AKFF members who have launched with the scupper carts still installed. They couldn't figure out where all the drag was coming from until they got back to the ramp. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

01-27-2010, 09:05 AM	#6
Quilted Germ Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cardiff, Ca Posts: 185	So much easier to just go buy a dolly type. I've experienced the damaged scupper due to the scupper type and had to have it professionally fixed....just not even worth the arguement....IMO, that is.... __________________ Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. - Ronald Reagan

01-26-2010, 06:03 PM	#3
miguelitro Team Bad Habits Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 119	two things- I make my own carts by bending tube to fit an axle, custom for each kayak. really easy to make with the right tools, just a little heavy, but hey less likely to get stolen. I have no pics right now, i should get some! If you are still in need i will probably have some time soon if you are still looking. I usually charge beer and materials but it will last forever secondly- Your sig is awesome! The mayor of Law St. starts our xmas brunch prayer with that every year(for the last 25 years minus a couple) and it made me smile with a flood of the great memories! Mike

01-27-2010, 06:31 PM	#7
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	I actually have a dolly type that I made,It just slips out from under the yak sometimes when I am dragging it aalong the sand at the CG station on NPH or it comes out from under when I hit that screwy driveway aat baby beach in Dana.I could probably just figure out a better way to strap it and be better off.Definitely seems like the no votes rule.I just thought the hobie carts were were scupper type and would be OK. __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

01-27-2010, 08:24 PM	#9
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I have not had any problem with a scupper cart, even transporting a loaded kayak - bait tank, with 4 rods, dry bags in the hull, etc. I also have a Hobie cart for sale with all terrain wheels, its strong. $50

01-28-2010, 12:52 PM	#10
Useful Idiot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 286	We've repaired countless scupper holes at OEX that have been damaged by those type of carts. When they were more popular we probably had one or two repairs a week caused by scupper carts. We haven't carried or recommended scupper carts for years. Go with the cradle style. __________________

01-28-2010, 01:42 PM	#11
fishes Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 89	I too was wondering about the scupper carts but then I saw this. The guy who posted said the damage was due to the scupper type carts and pulling too hard on them. I don't have wheels as of yet but I will be going with the alternative. __________________ <' )))><es

01-28-2010, 09:00 PM	#14
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Maybe the Hobies are stronger boats. I never had a problem on my last 3 kayaks.

01-28-2010, 09:26 PM	#15
miguelitro Team Bad Habits Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 119	i looked at cart when i bought my sled but i could not find any that held it high enough for me to drag it with out bending low. Mine is about a foot.5 off the ground and i can stand up while dragging it to the beach which i think makes a big difference... ps scuppers are for peeing in Mike

01-29-2010, 11:57 PM	#17
Duke Junior Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 22	Did you make that yourself?

01-31-2010, 03:57 PM	#18
ronbo613 Waterman At Large Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On the Water Posts: 199	Yep: it's "custom built". You can make one too. __________________ Kayak Fishing Photos and Video

01-31-2010, 05:21 PM	#19
Siebler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richland Oregon Posts: 1,547	Hobie carts work without damage because they are designed to be used together. The posts on the cart allow for very very little movement in the scuppers which cuts down a lot on the wear and tear of the scuppers. Other than Hobie Kayaks being used with Hobie Carts I 100% recommend the cradle style carts. Like Brian said we repair a ton of scuppers that crack from bad carts. __________________ CJ Siebler

02-02-2010, 05:28 AM	#20
senojmj Paddle, Fish, Repeat Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 26	message received! This is why I come to this site often, you learn something new all the time. I started with a homemade cradle cart, but found to be hard to load the boat. The cart would always slip out when I would be securing it to the cart. I then went to a scupper cart. After this "intervention" I am going to back to the cradle cart. Is there a trick to getting the cart not to slip out while loading it? __________________ Paddle, Fish, Repeat.