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tylerdurden · 07-20-2008, 07:21 PM

How to get the stones out of a wsb head

I only have 2 sets of stones from wsb. The rest I never retrieved because I was too lazy or turned the head in to Hubbs. There are 3 methods for getting the stones out.

1. Donate the head to Hubbs. Then on the tag that you attach to the head make sure to make a note that you want the stones back. They will mail them to you free of charge

. Most landings will take the heads for you. Probably the easiest way but it takes a couple weeks to get the stones back.

2. The stones can be found by splitting the head open with a meat cleaver down the middle. A hatchet works good, or a hammer and chisel. No joke. Split the head in half from the top between the eyes. Feel around in the compartments behind the eyes. Sorry, no pics of this one. Down side is you often break the stones trying to get them out.

3. Cut away some of the gills and soft tissue on the roof of the mouth of the seabass. Be careful as the gills can cut up your hands bad. Then use an expendable but sturdy knife to break open the bone cavity underneath. Use your fingers to get the stones out. Down side to this method is you can break the stones trying to get them like this too. Here is a picture showing exactly where they are with the cavity already broken open:

The knife tip is in the cavity with the stones. Feel around with your fingers or tweezers and pull them out. Breaking into the cavity might break a weak knife. That is why a crappy expendable knife is good. This method requires less brute force than #2.

dsafety · 07-20-2008, 08:01 PM

OK, I guess I will be the one to ask the question that many others are probably asking after reading this post. What are "stones" and why would you want them. While you are answering that question, please answer this one. Why does Hubbs want WSB heads?

Bob

fishkiller89 · 07-20-2008, 08:45 PM

dont know the answer to the stones but when the wsb are released by hubbs they get a information chip imbeded in their head. when you catch one your suppose to cut the head off and return it so they can use the information to do their research

tylerdurden · 07-21-2008, 07:15 AM

The stones are sometimes kept as trophies. People often make a necklace or bracelet out of them. I know one angler that has a small drybox full. Just a cool keepsake from a cool fish.

Hubbs has a wsb hatchery. They grow and release hundreds of juvie wsb each year to try and help the fish stocks

. All hatchery fish have a tag in the head. They want you to return fish heads so they can see if it's one of theirs. The tag is so small we would never find it, you need their special scanner. Most of the hatchery fish caught by anglers are on the small side if I remember right.

google hubbs hatchery for more info. A hatchery tour is very worthwhile.

dos ballenas · 07-21-2008, 07:45 AM

The stones are actually called otoliths, and are bones located in the neural canals of the fishes brain. They can be used to determine age of the fish, and possibly the life history of the animal. But really they are just cool,

lamb · 07-21-2008, 08:45 AM

Cool write up Tyler!

Senor Jose techniques are being ethernalized!

On turning in WSB heads - Hubbs / Seaworld Research Institute has been releasing hatchery raised WSB for years. Great program with some amazing results. They tag all the fish they release, and recovering those tags provides a ton of cool info for the scientists.

http://www.hswri.org/research/resear...m.cfm?reaID=27
http://www.projectpacific.org/whiteseabass.html

On stones, I was going to say google "wsb stones"... ...but then I realized that this page comes up on the top...

The stones are otholits, or ear-stones... They are made out of calcium. Fisherman often collect them as the a trophy catch souvenir. I believe all fish have otholits, and their size varies from one species to another. Croakers seem to have big ones. The bigger the croaker, the bigger the stones. Ear stones are internal organ that help fish keep the balance.

The stones are frequently used by scientist in aging study. Although the Hobbs / Seaworld Research folks will never advertise they'd like to have the stones from your turned in WSB head knowing fishermen keep it as trophy, they would love the opportunity to examine them. By looking at the calcium layers in otholits they can determine the exact age of the fish. Tim was telling me that last year one of the spearos turned in WSB head of 72 pounder. Based on otholits layers, they determined the fish was just 20 and some years old, which was contrary to what they used to believe. They were estimating that size fish would be more like 30 years old. They keep learning about WSB, and we can help by turning their heads in - hopefully so they could find the tag... Or by analyzing the stones, if you're willing to let them have it. Again, they will never ask, no worries that they will try to keep the stones unless you let them.

Please do turn your heads in whenever you can. They need our help.

Personally, I have not been keeping the stones last few years. I will keep 'em only if I ever end up catching WSB bigger than the Mother of all Lamb.

07-20-2008, 07:21 PM	#1
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	WSB stones How to get the stones out of a wsb head I only have 2 sets of stones from wsb. The rest I never retrieved because I was too lazy or turned the head in to Hubbs. There are 3 methods for getting the stones out. 1. Donate the head to Hubbs. Then on the tag that you attach to the head make sure to make a note that you want the stones back. They will mail them to you free of charge . Most landings will take the heads for you. Probably the easiest way but it takes a couple weeks to get the stones back. 2. The stones can be found by splitting the head open with a meat cleaver down the middle. A hatchet works good, or a hammer and chisel. No joke. Split the head in half from the top between the eyes. Feel around in the compartments behind the eyes. Sorry, no pics of this one. Down side is you often break the stones trying to get them out. 3. Cut away some of the gills and soft tissue on the roof of the mouth of the seabass. Be careful as the gills can cut up your hands bad. Then use an expendable but sturdy knife to break open the bone cavity underneath. Use your fingers to get the stones out. Down side to this method is you can break the stones trying to get them like this too. Here is a picture showing exactly where they are with the cavity already broken open: The knife tip is in the cavity with the stones. Feel around with your fingers or tweezers and pull them out. Breaking into the cavity might break a weak knife. That is why a crappy expendable knife is good. This method requires less brute force than #2. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

07-20-2008, 08:45 PM	#3
fishkiller89 Junior Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 27	dont know the answer to the stones but when the wsb are released by hubbs they get a information chip imbeded in their head. when you catch one your suppose to cut the head off and return it so they can use the information to do their research __________________ fishing VS girls . . . tie

07-21-2008, 07:15 AM	#4
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	The stones are sometimes kept as trophies. People often make a necklace or bracelet out of them. I know one angler that has a small drybox full. Just a cool keepsake from a cool fish. Hubbs has a wsb hatchery. They grow and release hundreds of juvie wsb each year to try and help the fish stocks . All hatchery fish have a tag in the head. They want you to return fish heads so they can see if it's one of theirs. The tag is so small we would never find it, you need their special scanner. Most of the hatchery fish caught by anglers are on the small side if I remember right. google hubbs hatchery for more info. A hatchery tour is very worthwhile. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

07-21-2008, 07:45 AM	#5
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	The stones are actually called otoliths, and are bones located in the neural canals of the fishes brain. They can be used to determine age of the fish, and possibly the life history of the animal. But really they are just cool, __________________ ____________________________________________

07-21-2008, 08:45 AM	#6
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	Cool write up Tyler! Senor Jose techniques are being ethernalized! On turning in WSB heads - Hubbs / Seaworld Research Institute has been releasing hatchery raised WSB for years. Great program with some amazing results. They tag all the fish they release, and recovering those tags provides a ton of cool info for the scientists. http://www.hswri.org/research/resear...m.cfm?reaID=27 http://www.projectpacific.org/whiteseabass.html On stones, I was going to say google "wsb stones"... ...but then I realized that this page comes up on the top... The stones are otholits, or ear-stones... They are made out of calcium. Fisherman often collect them as the a trophy catch souvenir. I believe all fish have otholits, and their size varies from one species to another. Croakers seem to have big ones. The bigger the croaker, the bigger the stones. Ear stones are internal organ that help fish keep the balance. The stones are frequently used by scientist in aging study. Although the Hobbs / Seaworld Research folks will never advertise they'd like to have the stones from your turned in WSB head knowing fishermen keep it as trophy, they would love the opportunity to examine them. By looking at the calcium layers in otholits they can determine the exact age of the fish. Tim was telling me that last year one of the spearos turned in WSB head of 72 pounder. Based on otholits layers, they determined the fish was just 20 and some years old, which was contrary to what they used to believe. They were estimating that size fish would be more like 30 years old. They keep learning about WSB, and we can help by turning their heads in - hopefully so they could find the tag... Or by analyzing the stones, if you're willing to let them have it. Again, they will never ask, no worries that they will try to keep the stones unless you let them. Please do turn your heads in whenever you can. They need our help. Personally, I have not been keeping the stones last few years. I will keep 'em only if I ever end up catching WSB bigger than the Mother of all Lamb. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

07-20-2008, 08:01 PM	#2
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	Stones??? OK, I guess I will be the one to ask the question that many others are probably asking after reading this post. What are "stones" and why would you want them. While you are answering that question, please answer this one. Why does Hubbs want WSB heads? Bob