LJ 10/2 am DOGGED - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

ratdog · 10-02-2007, 04:12 PM

Lainched at 5:30am, no surf, no wind. When the sun came up there was light offshore wind not too much. Made SP Mk out in the kelp. Water was glassy and the current was north to south. Most of the morning I was the only one on the water with the exception of 1pber and a few lobster boats. Slowly trolled my way to the NW corner and back. Very annoying dogs followed me or tagged teamed me all morning. Eventually went with the irons so the dogs would leave me alone. all for nada. Off the water at 11am.

jscott · 10-02-2007, 05:26 PM

Last time I was out-- I had knothead really follow me around for almost 1hr! I think it was because when he stole a bait from me-- he came up and I growled at him and slapped my paddle at the water. I picked up all my lines and tried tossing irons AT HIM. One time-- he came pretty close to the yak-- underwater and I jabbed my paddle at him...I didn't reach him...but it just seemed to keep him coming. He followed me forever-- with no lines in the water...I kept paddling around and tossing irons. He would just follow behind slowly. Finally, I tied off to a bouy and dropped a piece of squid down with a 3oz sinker and figured I fish bottom until he left. He came up and snorted something loudly and left immediately. A few minutes later, since I didn't see him back-- I pulled up my squid, only to find a chunky sculpin on the end of it. It is possible that he went for the squid (or sculpin) and got stung! For sure-- that was the longest one followed me...I think I antogonized him by growling and paddle slapping-- so perhaps he became territorial. I couldn't even pass him off!

gary sullivan · 10-02-2007, 05:41 PM

I was recently going over some past posts and found one interesting on how to handle the dogs. Since they have become a major nuisance lately for everyone I think salting a mack's belly with a habenero chile or something equally potent would be in order.

Dean Machine · 10-02-2007, 06:01 PM

I like that idea. Perhaps 2 or more would be in order.

esdees · 10-02-2007, 07:02 PM

I may have finally found a good use for caribbean red peppers...

zeelaagee · 10-03-2007, 09:26 AM

i wonder how a nice fat wad of ExLax would work on knothead?

madscientist · 10-03-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zeelaagee

i wonder how a nice fat wad of ExLax would work on knothead?

Not sure giving him explosive diarrhea is really the solution to the problem. He already blows bubbles at me when he's waiting underneath me for a mac, but at least they are not the stinky kind.lol

Handymansd · 10-03-2007, 12:19 PM

So after all of this discussion on how to discourage ol' knotthead or his friends, I still want to know if there is a viable, and humane way to discourage our little bastard of a friend, other than dynamite?...

nmbrinkman · 10-03-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Handymansd

So after all of this discussion on how to discourage ol' knotthead or his friends, I still want to know if there is a viable, and humane way to discourage our little bastard of a friend, other than dynamite?...

Slingshots and paintball guns. From what I hear, they are all legal.

Tman · 10-03-2007, 06:59 PM

I am of the opinion that if you were to do that to big 'ol knothead, that would just piss him off that much more.
Liking the laxatives though. Maybe some antacids are in order.

wavster · 10-03-2007, 10:59 PM

Speaking of paintballs, I've seen the New Seaforth with a semi-automatic paintball
gun, just blasting away at knothead when they're hitting the YT.

I can't wait to get hit with one of those...

Sherm · 10-04-2007, 09:28 AM

Paintballs work better when they are frozen

I hit ol knothead a while back with the wrist rocket. He went on to another yaker. He doesn't have a good memory though as he came back and got my macs when I paddled back past his area.

Maybe I'll bring the painball gun next time.

bjoseph · 10-04-2007, 04:16 PM

I have had the good fortune, or bad, to work with captive sea lions as an animal keeper and veterinarian for 30 years. They are quick learners if some kind of negative reinforcement is immediately paired with what they are doing, but it has to be consistent and immediate. So, if everyone could do something aversive the minute they swiped a bait from us, they would do the math and learn not to do it. However, they are really good mathematicians and always weigh odds and cost benefit. If they steal bait successfully 50 times and have something unfortunate happen once, they keep doing it. The problem with causing some unpleasant physiological event for them by giving them a "treat" (I could name some possibilities) in a fish is that it takes too long to take effect. It is like having tacos at Robertos. They taste fine, you're sick later, but you might not attribute the sickness to Robertos, so you keep going back.

Matt · 10-04-2007, 07:58 PM

I have had a few baits stolen over the years, and I have always thought of it as a form of paying taxes. Sea lions are annoying, seals never seem to bother me or my baits, it sucks for sure when you lose a fish to one, but hey ya gotta pay to play is the way I look at it.

Matt

sbsyncro · 10-06-2007, 08:27 AM

When I was a kid growing up in Monterey, I had a friend who's family were commercial fishermen. Believe it or not, the DFG used to supply them with something we called "seal bombs" which were basically M-80 explosives that were completely waterproof and would continue burning (and explode) under water. Apparently they were designed to scare off the furbags before they brought in their nets.

They also happened to work really well when flushed down the toilets of the high school gym......

Just found this link on legal deterrence of pinnipeds (knotheads, furbags, sea dogs)
http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Marine-Mamma...-Pinnipeds.cfm

Apparently you can use forceful methods of deterrence as long as you don't:
1. break their skin
2. aim at their eyes or heads
3. disturb them from a position hauled out on rocks or beach

So, technically using a "seal bomb" would be legal to protect your catch or your gear, but I'll bet that possessing them is illegal for non-commercial fishermen (classic catch-22)

stevo · 10-06-2007, 09:06 AM

Wrist Rocket: 10 bucks at Walmart.
Misc nuts from bolts collected over the years and bam you keep em at bay.

nmbrinkman · 10-06-2007, 12:23 PM

I would think using seal bombs would scare the fish too. I know on the Columbia River the seal bombs have been fairly ineffective.

T-Rex · 10-06-2007, 02:33 PM

NOT!!!

lol lol lol picking up a wrist rocket tonight!

Adam · 10-06-2007, 02:50 PM

Just FYI, it is illegal to use seal bombs without a permit. I worked at a fisheries research institute tagging WSB and it was very difficult to get the seal bomb permit from DFG.

lamb · 10-07-2007, 09:45 PM

Good info.

Seals are a pain.

And they’re smart.

If we could just figure something out that’s not too harsh, but they dislike. Maybe they’d learn to leave us alone.

There’s definitely a lot of training these local LJ seals get. They seem smarter than the ones down in Baja. The ones down south can be pretty… dumb.

They go for your bait and get hooked more often than not. There seems to be a fewer number of them though (hmm, wonder why

).

They definitely seem to behave different in different places. The ones on San Pedro Island were leaving us alone, staying away. And there was a lot of them. We should have asked the pangeros what are they doing to them.

10-02-2007, 04:12 PM	#1
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	LJ 10/2 am DOGGED Lainched at 5:30am, no surf, no wind. When the sun came up there was light offshore wind not too much. Made SP Mk out in the kelp. Water was glassy and the current was north to south. Most of the morning I was the only one on the water with the exception of 1pber and a few lobster boats. Slowly trolled my way to the NW corner and back. Very annoying dogs followed me or tagged teamed me all morning. Eventually went with the irons so the dogs would leave me alone. all for nada. Off the water at 11am.

10-02-2007, 06:01 PM	#4
Dean Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Clemente Posts: 162	I like that idea. Perhaps 2 or more would be in order. __________________ "Good luck and tight lines!"

10-03-2007, 09:26 AM	#6
zeelaagee Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 37	i wonder how a nice fat wad of ExLax would work on knothead? __________________ Totally addicted!!! Last edited by zeelaagee; 10-03-2007 at 09:26 AM. Reason: sp

10-03-2007, 12:19 PM	#8
Handymansd Ancient Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: On The Water Posts: 935	So after all of this discussion on how to discourage ol' knotthead or his friends, I still want to know if there is a viable, and humane way to discourage our little bastard of a friend, other than dynamite?... __________________ All men are equal before fish. -Herbert Hoover

10-03-2007, 06:59 PM	#10
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	I am of the opinion that if you were to do that to big 'ol knothead, that would just piss him off that much more. Liking the laxatives though. Maybe some antacids are in order. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-02-2007, 05:26 PM	#2
jscott Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 138	Last time I was out-- I had knothead really follow me around for almost 1hr! I think it was because when he stole a bait from me-- he came up and I growled at him and slapped my paddle at the water. I picked up all my lines and tried tossing irons AT HIM. One time-- he came pretty close to the yak-- underwater and I jabbed my paddle at him...I didn't reach him...but it just seemed to keep him coming. He followed me forever-- with no lines in the water...I kept paddling around and tossing irons. He would just follow behind slowly. Finally, I tied off to a bouy and dropped a piece of squid down with a 3oz sinker and figured I fish bottom until he left. He came up and snorted something loudly and left immediately. A few minutes later, since I didn't see him back-- I pulled up my squid, only to find a chunky sculpin on the end of it. It is possible that he went for the squid (or sculpin) and got stung! For sure-- that was the longest one followed me...I think I antogonized him by growling and paddle slapping-- so perhaps he became territorial. I couldn't even pass him off!

10-02-2007, 05:41 PM	#3
gary sullivan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: spring valley Posts: 192	I was recently going over some past posts and found one interesting on how to handle the dogs. Since they have become a major nuisance lately for everyone I think salting a mack's belly with a habenero chile or something equally potent would be in order.

10-02-2007, 07:02 PM	#5
esdees The Good Clone Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clairemont Posts: 520	I may have finally found a good use for caribbean red peppers...

10-03-2007, 10:59 PM	#11
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	Speaking of paintballs, I've seen the New Seaforth with a semi-automatic paintball gun, just blasting away at knothead when they're hitting the YT. I can't wait to get hit with one of those...

10-04-2007, 09:28 AM	#12
Sherm Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 490	Paintballs work better when they are frozen I hit ol knothead a while back with the wrist rocket. He went on to another yaker. He doesn't have a good memory though as he came back and got my macs when I paddled back past his area. Maybe I'll bring the painball gun next time.

10-04-2007, 04:16 PM	#13
bjoseph Junior Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: escondido Posts: 13	I have had the good fortune, or bad, to work with captive sea lions as an animal keeper and veterinarian for 30 years. They are quick learners if some kind of negative reinforcement is immediately paired with what they are doing, but it has to be consistent and immediate. So, if everyone could do something aversive the minute they swiped a bait from us, they would do the math and learn not to do it. However, they are really good mathematicians and always weigh odds and cost benefit. If they steal bait successfully 50 times and have something unfortunate happen once, they keep doing it. The problem with causing some unpleasant physiological event for them by giving them a "treat" (I could name some possibilities) in a fish is that it takes too long to take effect. It is like having tacos at Robertos. They taste fine, you're sick later, but you might not attribute the sickness to Robertos, so you keep going back.

10-04-2007, 07:58 PM	#14
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	taxation I have had a few baits stolen over the years, and I have always thought of it as a form of paying taxes. Sea lions are annoying, seals never seem to bother me or my baits, it sucks for sure when you lose a fish to one, but hey ya gotta pay to play is the way I look at it. Matt

10-06-2007, 08:27 AM	#15
sbsyncro Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 80	When I was a kid growing up in Monterey, I had a friend who's family were commercial fishermen. Believe it or not, the DFG used to supply them with something we called "seal bombs" which were basically M-80 explosives that were completely waterproof and would continue burning (and explode) under water. Apparently they were designed to scare off the furbags before they brought in their nets. They also happened to work really well when flushed down the toilets of the high school gym...... Just found this link on legal deterrence of pinnipeds (knotheads, furbags, sea dogs) http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Marine-Mamma...-Pinnipeds.cfm Apparently you can use forceful methods of deterrence as long as you don't: 1. break their skin 2. aim at their eyes or heads 3. disturb them from a position hauled out on rocks or beach So, technically using a "seal bomb" would be legal to protect your catch or your gear, but I'll bet that possessing them is illegal for non-commercial fishermen (classic catch-22)

10-06-2007, 09:06 AM	#16
stevo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oceanside Posts: 26	Wrist Rocket: 10 bucks at Walmart. Misc nuts from bolts collected over the years and bam you keep em at bay.

10-06-2007, 12:23 PM	#17
nmbrinkman Work Sucks! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 559	I would think using seal bombs would scare the fish too. I know on the Columbia River the seal bombs have been fairly ineffective.

10-06-2007, 02:33 PM	#18
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 770	NOT!!! lol lol lol picking up a wrist rocket tonight!

10-06-2007, 02:50 PM	#19
Adam Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27	Just FYI, it is illegal to use seal bombs without a permit. I worked at a fisheries research institute tagging WSB and it was very difficult to get the seal bomb permit from DFG.

10-07-2007, 09:45 PM	#20
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	Good info. Seals are a pain. And they’re smart. If we could just figure something out that’s not too harsh, but they dislike. Maybe they’d learn to leave us alone. There’s definitely a lot of training these local LJ seals get. They seem smarter than the ones down in Baja. The ones down south can be pretty… dumb. They go for your bait and get hooked more often than not. There seems to be a fewer number of them though (hmm, wonder why ). They definitely seem to behave different in different places. The ones on San Pedro Island were leaving us alone, staying away. And there was a lot of them. We should have asked the pangeros what are they doing to them. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a