Fishin the kelp with swimbaits - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

William Novotny · 02-20-2012, 01:43 PM

Can I get some advice when it comes to using swimbaits in the kelp? Seems like every cast is yealding a 100# stringer of kelp. Do I fish the outskirts of a dense stretch of forest? Find a big hole and drop into it yo-yo style? I know this is the noobish of the noob of questions but im getting frustrated and lossing alot of jig heads in the proceess. Or is that just all part of the game?

Dave k · 02-20-2012, 02:05 PM

It all depends on the conditions. I like to use the warbaits slayer weedless heads. A little more expensive but I almost never lose them. Throw them through open lanes in the kelp, retrieving with the current as the bass usually face into the current. You can also just drop or pitch the bait into small holes ahead of you and fish vertically. Be ready to throw it in gear and swing though since you'll get lots of bites on the sink. If you want to work the edges stick with the upcurrent side. Sit on top of the kelp and cast out. Let it sink till you can feel it in the kelp and start a retrieve trying to keep the bait a few feet above the kelp stalks.

Hope this helps and sorry if there are some spelling or grammar errors as I'm doing this from my phone.

Dave

echo1er · 02-20-2012, 02:06 PM

I know how you feel brada. I use a weedless Jig head. To me since I'm a noob in the kelp bed as well. Its a hit or miss.

Salt Water Flies · 02-20-2012, 03:11 PM

Someone in another post mentioned the three coveted species. For me in the South East it's Bonefish, Tarpon, and the "best" Permit. Spanish Macks and Sea Trout are the daily fish. In the Northeast it's Stripers, Blue Fin, and Flounder. What do you guys fish for on the West Coast? Curious? What's the big three species out there?

Tony

William Novotny · 02-20-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Salt Water Flies

Someone in another post mentioned the three coveted species. For me in the South East it's Bonefish, Tarpon, and the "best" Permit. Spanish Macks and Sea Trout are the daily fish. In the Northeast it's Stripers, Blue Fin, and Flounder. What do you guys fish for on the West Coast? Curious? What's the big three species out there?

Tony

The 3 "coveted" species are yellowtail, white seabass and halibut. Other common sport fish we catch are thresher shark and are delishious. Salt water bass are barred sand bass, calico bass and spotted bay bass. The white seabass I believw are actually from the croaker family. But dont quote me on that. Spanish macs pacific macs and a number of fin baits are common out here

Amish Ed · 02-20-2012, 04:07 PM

I definitely like the Slayer heads too. But, in the kelp I find myself throwing more jerkbaits on Sledheads, or with just a weedless hook.

diehardfisher · 02-20-2012, 04:42 PM

I never really use weedless heads, I typically just find the densest kelp possible and drop vertically through whatever hole I can get in through, preferably in front of my drift direction. You will get hit on the drop occasionally when it just stops, or if i make it to the bottom I jig it a couple times then as I am drifting past the hole I retrieve vertically through the hole.

If you get hung up on the retrieve don't horse on it and pull really hard just drop it a couple inches and give it another little pull up, usually releases on the first or second tug. My personal favorite method of bass fishing.

William Novotny · 02-20-2012, 04:43 PM

Looks like im gonna be picking up some weedless jigheads. Thanks for all your suggestions especially about the current. I always forget to be mindful of the current flow when im throwing at structure or cover.

Mr. Adventure · 02-20-2012, 05:09 PM

Are you using braid? If not it helps a lot.

O e thin I've really found is that when snagged change the angle you are pulling at. Paddle over and to the opposite side of the bait and give it a tug And it will usually come free easier

vincentek9 · 02-20-2012, 05:52 PM

spectra (braid) will cut through kelp very well. also, look into the War Baits weedless leadheads. they are amazing for the southern california calico bass fishing. I usually just go straight into a patch of kelp, sit on top of it, and drop the lure straight down. jig up and down. the only issue is when i catch a toad fish that wraps me around. then its a waiting game of give-and-take until the braid cuts the kelp.

William Novotny · 02-20-2012, 06:26 PM

All of my reels are backed with spectra, but both by baitcasting setups have mono topshot for casting. I suppose I could strip the calcutta down to the 50# braid. That should cut the kelp nicely.

Mr. Adventure · 02-20-2012, 06:33 PM

Sure does, then just leave a short leader

William Novotny · 02-20-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Adventure

Sure does, then just leave a short leader

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the braid? Doesnt it cut through the kelp at the point where its tied to the lure? Thats what I always assumed

ReedperkinsHB22 · 02-20-2012, 06:53 PM

ya i would suggest using a 1 to 2 ounce jig head, and using 5 to 6 1/2 inch swim baits, mc big hammers, or island plastics. if its overcast trying using darker colors and when the sun comes out you want to throw something that has some sparkle to it, i use Christmas tree or just any bait fish color when the suns out. when fishing for calico you need to fish out where there are in the water coloum, they arent always on the bottom, try different retrieve speeds. also try casting on top of the kelp then when you get to a hole put your reel in free spool and let it sink out.
hope this helps Reed

yakrider · 02-20-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardfisher

I never really use weedless heads,

If you get hung up on the retrieve don't horse on it and pull really hard just drop it a couple inches and give it another little pull up, usually releases on the first or second tug. My personal favorite method of bass fishing.

well said! that is the ticket...

personally, I find the weedless heads get stuck only a little less than the regular ones, but the kicker is when they do get stuck, the feathers keep them from getting unstuck...
that, to me, is way more frustrating...

practice makes perfect...
try different heads and techniques...
you'll figure it out for yourself...
that's what makes this sport so fun!
the "right way" is whatever works for you!

ReedperkinsHB22 · 02-20-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by William Novotny

Looks like im gonna be picking up some weedless jigheads. Thanks for all your suggestions especially about the current. I always forget to be mindful of the current flow when im throwing at structure or cover.

current is always good when fishing kelp, if it laid down then thats a great sign, also i use 50 or 65lb spectra any brand works

fishsouthcounty · 02-20-2012, 10:49 PM

i like braid and the Warbaits slayer heads....they are pricey but they kill it. I have yet to lose one to the kelp while fishing either the pipe or the kelp around strands and the headlands of DP. I almost always fish over the heavy kelp and find small pockets and fish vertically over them. Do yourself a favor and go to Fred Hall this year...tons of plastics on hand, pearl, MC, Big Hammer, etc, plus the Warbaits booth with discounts on all products. Stock up at a discount. Plenty of other good offers to be had as well. Keep an eye on the bloodydecks Fred Hall Vendors Specials board and see how good it gets.

dfroggy54 · 02-20-2012, 11:45 PM

sled heads with red flake whams or blue/silver flake whams. Those monster MC weedless swimbaits work good too.

William Novotny · 02-21-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fishsouthcounty

i like braid and the Warbaits slayer heads....they are pricey but they kill it. I have yet to lose one to the kelp while fishing either the pipe or the kelp around strands and the headlands of DP. I almost always fish over the heavy kelp and find small pockets and fish vertically over them. Do yourself a favor and go to Fred Hall this year...tons of plastics on hand, pearl, MC, Big Hammer, etc, plus the Warbaits booth with discounts on all products. Stock up at a discount. Plenty of other good offers to be had as well. Keep an eye on the bloodydecks Fred Hall Vendors Specials board and see how good it gets.

My wife hates me "stocking up" on tackle. Her favorite line is "dont you aleady have that?" So I biy my swimbaits in hand fulls every time I pass the tackle shop and slip it into my daily purchases!

William Novotny · 02-21-2012, 07:40 AM

Do you hits have a go to jighead color you like? I usually just go with any combo with a red head.

02-20-2012, 01:43 PM	#1
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	Fishin the kelp with swimbaits Can I get some advice when it comes to using swimbaits in the kelp? Seems like every cast is yealding a 100# stringer of kelp. Do I fish the outskirts of a dense stretch of forest? Find a big hole and drop into it yo-yo style? I know this is the noobish of the noob of questions but im getting frustrated and lossing alot of jig heads in the proceess. Or is that just all part of the game? __________________ "The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope." http://www.badinfluencetattoo.com/gallery.php?artist=21

02-20-2012, 04:07 PM	#6
Amish Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,906	I definitely like the Slayer heads too. But, in the kelp I find myself throwing more jerkbaits on Sledheads, or with just a weedless hook. __________________ Amish Ed You can't catch it again if it's dead!

02-20-2012, 04:43 PM	#8
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	Looks like im gonna be picking up some weedless jigheads. Thanks for all your suggestions especially about the current. I always forget to be mindful of the current flow when im throwing at structure or cover. __________________ "The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope." http://www.badinfluencetattoo.com/gallery.php?artist=21

02-20-2012, 06:26 PM	#11
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	All of my reels are backed with spectra, but both by baitcasting setups have mono topshot for casting. I suppose I could strip the calcutta down to the 50# braid. That should cut the kelp nicely. __________________ "The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope." http://www.badinfluencetattoo.com/gallery.php?artist=21

02-20-2012, 11:45 PM	#18
dfroggy54 Rolly Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 245	sled heads with red flake whams or blue/silver flake whams. Those monster MC weedless swimbaits work good too. __________________ I Fish. I catch. I Eat.

02-20-2012, 02:05 PM	#2
Dave k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110	It all depends on the conditions. I like to use the warbaits slayer weedless heads. A little more expensive but I almost never lose them. Throw them through open lanes in the kelp, retrieving with the current as the bass usually face into the current. You can also just drop or pitch the bait into small holes ahead of you and fish vertically. Be ready to throw it in gear and swing though since you'll get lots of bites on the sink. If you want to work the edges stick with the upcurrent side. Sit on top of the kelp and cast out. Let it sink till you can feel it in the kelp and start a retrieve trying to keep the bait a few feet above the kelp stalks. Hope this helps and sorry if there are some spelling or grammar errors as I'm doing this from my phone. Dave

02-20-2012, 03:11 PM	#4
Salt Water Flies Junior Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 28	Someone in another post mentioned the three coveted species. For me in the South East it's Bonefish, Tarpon, and the "best" Permit. Spanish Macks and Sea Trout are the daily fish. In the Northeast it's Stripers, Blue Fin, and Flounder. What do you guys fish for on the West Coast? Curious? What's the big three species out there? Tony

02-20-2012, 04:42 PM	#7
diehardfisher Junior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 16	I never really use weedless heads, I typically just find the densest kelp possible and drop vertically through whatever hole I can get in through, preferably in front of my drift direction. You will get hit on the drop occasionally when it just stops, or if i make it to the bottom I jig it a couple times then as I am drifting past the hole I retrieve vertically through the hole. If you get hung up on the retrieve don't horse on it and pull really hard just drop it a couple inches and give it another little pull up, usually releases on the first or second tug. My personal favorite method of bass fishing.

02-20-2012, 05:09 PM	#9
Mr. Adventure Damn Hippy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Riverside Posts: 311	Are you using braid? If not it helps a lot. O e thin I've really found is that when snagged change the angle you are pulling at. Paddle over and to the opposite side of the bait and give it a tug And it will usually come free easier

02-20-2012, 05:52 PM	#10
vincentek9 MAYNEE-YAK Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 533	spectra (braid) will cut through kelp very well. also, look into the War Baits weedless leadheads. they are amazing for the southern california calico bass fishing. I usually just go straight into a patch of kelp, sit on top of it, and drop the lure straight down. jig up and down. the only issue is when i catch a toad fish that wraps me around. then its a waiting game of give-and-take until the braid cuts the kelp.

02-20-2012, 06:33 PM	#12
Mr. Adventure Damn Hippy Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Riverside Posts: 311	Sure does, then just leave a short leader

02-20-2012, 06:53 PM	#14
ReedperkinsHB22 Junior Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 20	ya i would suggest using a 1 to 2 ounce jig head, and using 5 to 6 1/2 inch swim baits, mc big hammers, or island plastics. if its overcast trying using darker colors and when the sun comes out you want to throw something that has some sparkle to it, i use Christmas tree or just any bait fish color when the suns out. when fishing for calico you need to fish out where there are in the water coloum, they arent always on the bottom, try different retrieve speeds. also try casting on top of the kelp then when you get to a hole put your reel in free spool and let it sink out. hope this helps Reed

02-20-2012, 10:49 PM	#17
fishsouthcounty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Juan Capistrano, Ca Posts: 518	i like braid and the Warbaits slayer heads....they are pricey but they kill it. I have yet to lose one to the kelp while fishing either the pipe or the kelp around strands and the headlands of DP. I almost always fish over the heavy kelp and find small pockets and fish vertically over them. Do yourself a favor and go to Fred Hall this year...tons of plastics on hand, pearl, MC, Big Hammer, etc, plus the Warbaits booth with discounts on all products. Stock up at a discount. Plenty of other good offers to be had as well. Keep an eye on the bloodydecks Fred Hall Vendors Specials board and see how good it gets.

02-21-2012, 07:40 AM	#20
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	Do you hits have a go to jighead color you like? I usually just go with any combo with a red head. __________________ "The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope." http://www.badinfluencetattoo.com/gallery.php?artist=21