hobie rudder - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bus kid · 06-29-2011, 08:48 AM

1st Welcome, 2nd spell check, 3rd what hobie?

Phatford · 06-29-2011, 09:28 AM

I should probably let the experts answer but to give you a quick answer, I am under the impression that the newest rudder system will kick itself up if you hit the beach...

Somthing else I noticed is that mine needs some adjustment I think, seems to get a little sloppy... I am thinking the new ones wouldn't require much if any adjustment.

fishmaster015 · 06-29-2011, 09:48 AM

Sorry my phone auto corrects hobie and I forgot to go back and change some of them. It's an outback. If theres no.huge issues I don't mind, I just don't want something that's going to fail regularly. Thanks again

pchen911 · 06-29-2011, 01:47 PM

Yea, big difference... about $300+ difference on the used market between new and old Outback.

Old rudder is simpler and less likely to go wrong.

But twist and stow is more desirable because it is better for storage and less likely to bang into things when you are moving it around on land.

No way to convert the old rudder into the new twist and stow.

New version also has improved hull design (better primary stability), hand grip, different rear storage layout, deeper rod holder, and better drainage.

When buying old version, also try to avoid the problem year (05 I believe).. they changed the mold without changing the bolt for the mirage drive locking mechanism, as a result many of them had the drive slip forward and cracking the front of the drivewell. These model years required a fix, which is 2 longer replacement bolts and a fiberglass reinforcement for the front of the drivewell. If you buy one of these model years, you need to check to see if the upgrade has been performed or not... if not, you may need to do it yourself.

Personally, I would just avoid the early version and go with 07 or newer models. (basically, only the models with the twist and stow rudder).

lbsurf2ca · 06-29-2011, 03:29 PM

I was writing the same thing as pchen. I am one of those victims of the old outbacks. I am constantly battling water in the hull.

Spend a little extra and go with the newer model.

fishmaster015 · 06-29-2011, 08:54 PM

is there a way to seal the crack. im not sure what year it is i just know it doesnt have the twist up rudder. im going crazy day dreaming bout being out on the water and i think i found a good deal so long as its not horrible but if this cracking is very common it may not be worth it to spend any money on a useless kayak. how do you keep you kayak from filling with water while out ona long trip?

tagyak · 06-30-2011, 08:28 AM

hi fishmaster,

what is your budget? if it is around $1300 you can find the newer ones often. just have to keep looking on c.l. everyday.
but i would recommend listening to pchen911 advise. it is better to get the model with the twist and stow rudder, for $300-$500 more, you are getting a much better boat.

06-29-2011, 08:48 AM	#1
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06-29-2011, 09:28 AM	#2
Phatford Heroes on the Water Staff Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Anahiem Posts: 176	I should probably let the experts answer but to give you a quick answer, I am under the impression that the newest rudder system will kick itself up if you hit the beach... Somthing else I noticed is that mine needs some adjustment I think, seems to get a little sloppy... I am thinking the new ones wouldn't require much if any adjustment.

06-29-2011, 09:48 AM	#3
fishmaster015 Junior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 6	Sorry my phone auto corrects hobie and I forgot to go back and change some of them. It's an outback. If theres no.huge issues I don't mind, I just don't want something that's going to fail regularly. Thanks again

06-29-2011, 01:47 PM	#4
pchen911 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 218	Yea, big difference... about $300+ difference on the used market between new and old Outback. Old rudder is simpler and less likely to go wrong. But twist and stow is more desirable because it is better for storage and less likely to bang into things when you are moving it around on land. No way to convert the old rudder into the new twist and stow. New version also has improved hull design (better primary stability), hand grip, different rear storage layout, deeper rod holder, and better drainage. When buying old version, also try to avoid the problem year (05 I believe).. they changed the mold without changing the bolt for the mirage drive locking mechanism, as a result many of them had the drive slip forward and cracking the front of the drivewell. These model years required a fix, which is 2 longer replacement bolts and a fiberglass reinforcement for the front of the drivewell. If you buy one of these model years, you need to check to see if the upgrade has been performed or not... if not, you may need to do it yourself. Personally, I would just avoid the early version and go with 07 or newer models. (basically, only the models with the twist and stow rudder).

06-29-2011, 03:29 PM	#5
lbsurf2ca Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Encinitas Posts: 395	I was writing the same thing as pchen. I am one of those victims of the old outbacks. I am constantly battling water in the hull. Spend a little extra and go with the newer model.

06-29-2011, 08:54 PM	#6
fishmaster015 Junior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 6	is there a way to seal the crack. im not sure what year it is i just know it doesnt have the twist up rudder. im going crazy day dreaming bout being out on the water and i think i found a good deal so long as its not horrible but if this cracking is very common it may not be worth it to spend any money on a useless kayak. how do you keep you kayak from filling with water while out ona long trip?

06-30-2011, 08:28 AM	#7
tagyak Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Alhambra Posts: 506	hi fishmaster, what is your budget? if it is around $1300 you can find the newer ones often. just have to keep looking on c.l. everyday. but i would recommend listening to pchen911 advise. it is better to get the model with the twist and stow rudder, for $300-$500 more, you are getting a much better boat.