newell 338,trinidad 40, or torium 20 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tptrench · 05-09-2011, 09:11 AM

Thank you for taking the time to give us the advice. I own all 3 of the reels plus a sealine 50. Tough decisions now. Used an Avet JX last May for a #51.9 ghost, but had to have it serviced because it took a bit of a douche. Not cheap, even at Squdco. Also, Josh, enjoyed your seminar at Fastlane. With all the trophies that you've landed, it seems that you would be a little "jaded" and not want to share your knowledge. It's really refreshing that you are as cool as you are. Thanks again!

THE DARKHORSE · 05-09-2011, 01:06 PM

Being that you already own those reels, I'd suggest practicing with the Shimano Torium 20 (that's if, the free-spool is in perfect working order?). At least the Shimano has a spool tension dial on the reel to aid in your learning curve. Once your casting in the 60-80 yard range, consistently without back-lashing, I'd switch to the Newell for those additional 20 yards.

Like I said, I wouldn't suggest the Newell unless you're already casting at an expert level; as there's no spool tension knob. It's the way it should be; incredible free-spool with no breaks. The Newell is hard to beat (free-spool wise), unless you're catching big Yellowtail on the surface-iron with heavy drag...all the time. Or, plan to fish the surface-iron with spectra (this reel isn't made for that kind of stuff). If you're doing either of those things--- the drags just go out when the entire ocean erupts in front of you. Which isn't a big deal either if you have two jig-sticks on board, like me

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Since you have a Daiwa Sealine 50 already (which has great free-spool as well), that's just another option for you. For me, even though the Daiwa Sealine 50 has great free-spool, it's a little too wide (same width as the Torium 30). Remember, each cast will be a direct result of how well you wound the line on. It's just more challenging to wind the line on perfectly with a wider spool. It's also more challenging to wind your line on perfectly with a reel that has a low gear ratio---if, you're trying to wind fast. Which is common on a lot of jigs to make them swim properly. For that reason, I prefer not only the perfect height and width of the spool, but a 6 to 1 gear ratio.

In my opinion, the ultimate goal should be training your thumb to adjust to each swing. While spool tension and Magic Cast will help in the early stages of learning to cast---eventually, you should be casting with no breaks on the reel at all.

Above all, like I said in my previous post---it's about one thing: catching more fish. And the surface-iron is a great tool to achieve that goal. While I have all conventional reels, without breaks or magnets used on any of them, my eyes are forever open when it comes to catching more fish; the sky's the limit!

I still like to think, I improve every-time I'm on the water. And if a twenty-foot, hot pink, upside down coffee grinder with spectra can cast 200 yards---you might see me swinging one before it's all said and done.

The Kid · 05-09-2011, 03:40 PM

To join in on the Newell discussion, the tensioners are on the side plates on both the right and left side. However, you must adjust these with a large flat head screwdriver so on the water adjustment pretty much a pain in the ass.

THE DARKHORSE · 05-09-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kid

To join in on the Newell discussion, the tensioners are on the side plates on both the right and left side. However, you must adjust these with a large flat head screwdriver so on the water adjustment pretty much a pain in the ass.

Being the expert you are on reels...I had hoped you'd chime in on twenty-foot, hot pink, upside down coffee grinders with spectra. If you buy one I will, too. Enough of this Ulua crap you and I have bought into (the jig-stick obsession)---it's time for a change. Instead of hot pink, I was thinking of a twenty-foot candy cane striped blank, with $400 worth of titanium guides!

Can you imagine the ridiculous bendo-shots we could get with a wide angle lens on those things?

The Kid · 05-09-2011, 04:12 PM

hahahaha oh man you and I know it would be so freaking awesome!!! I would piss myself laughing with joy as that entire rod is bent in the water. The wafting of the immense rod by the simple lapping of the swell upon your yak, the lifting and crisp crack of the rod like the gauchos whip driving broncos into the corral, and the bend in the rod taken pleasure only by those whose have had so courageously sacrificed their arms to a creature swimming in a realm only we as humans can tap into with the median known simply as "line". You can count on me getting that set up within the next 2 months. Now to just find the right rod

. Reel= Shimano XXXXXXX 10000. Rod= Bamboo chute.

Billy V · 05-09-2011, 07:04 PM

Your reel tutorial was spot on. The Sealine X 40, and the Saltist 40 are my favorite reels.
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Daiwa has a couple of spinners made for spectra I'd like to try. I might have to dig out my old 12' Surf Rods.

The Saltist spinner - retrieves 53" of line per crank, and 33 lbs of drag. Not bad for $200. I might bring one of these home. This would be nice on one of those new jigging rods w/ a knife jig.
http://www.charkbait.com/cs/images/r...tist-spin1.jpg

Then there is the Dog Fight spinner - retrieves 50" per crank and 66 lbs of drag. Made for cow tuna. $1099.95
http://www.charkbait.com/cs/images/r...-Dog-Fight.jpg

Siebler · 05-10-2011, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE DARKHORSE

Being the expert you are on reels...I had hoped you'd chime in on twenty-foot, hot pink, upside down coffee grinders with spectra. If you buy one I will, too. Enough of this Ulua crap you and I have bought into (the jig-stick obsession)---it's time for a change. Instead of hot pink, I was thinking of a twenty-foot candy cane striped blank, with $400 worth of titanium guides!

Can you imagine the ridiculous bendo-shots we could get with a wide angle lens on those things?

I just got a new power wrapper, Im in to help build these things

I love My Ulua and 338, by far my favorite jig stick I own or have ever owned. Actually thinking about wrapping a 10' Ulua next just cause.

The Kid · 05-10-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Siebler

I love My Ulua and 338, by far my favorite jig stick I own or have ever owned. Actually thinking about wrapping a 10' Ulua next just cause.

That's what makes constantly buy jigs, rods, reels, books, magazines with the surface iron imprinted. People ask me, "Why do you spend the immense amount of money of surface iron stuff?" I used to give a list of reasons, no a more reasonable explaination is as you said, "just cause."

tj805 · 05-10-2011, 11:20 AM

i presonaly have a torium 16 and love it
i got a killer deal on it like 160 brand new
but is is super reliabile and i can fish for rockfish,halibit,salmon and albcore all with the same real
is just have few differnt rods
plus a loot of people tell me it is excacle the same as the trinidad just minus one bearing an 200 bucks hahaha

Lets_Fish · 05-10-2011, 11:38 AM

Lots of great information all have contributed here. I'm in the market for a new rod & reel and all this has been very informative for me.

On the lighter side,

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE DARKHORSE

I still like to think, I improve every-time I'm on the water. And if a twenty-foot, hot pink, upside down coffee grinder with spectra can cast 200 yards---you might see me swinging one before it's all said and done.

I can just see you now, 50+ pounds heavier and tossing the iron beyond the horizon! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqj-1r2VH5w

RookieYakker · 05-21-2015, 02:27 PM

BUMP

I was trying to educate my self on a good setup for throwing surface iron and came across this thread. Some great info!

I have a couple Toriums, but I'm still not sure what to look for in a rod to pair it with

roadx · 05-21-2015, 02:34 PM

THE DARK HORSE and The KID on the same thread!!!
pure gold!!!!

Gr8fuldude · 05-22-2015, 06:04 PM

Can anyone weigh in on the Penn Fathom 25N. Supposedly it's got the narrow spool and can free spool for forever and a day. Anyone here recommend it or not?

roadx · 05-22-2015, 06:14 PM

OK I'm gonna be the odd man out and suggest shimano 100 charter special, lever drag level wind. About $ 90.00. Cast control and graghite reel. Awesome yak setup. And yes it will chuck a iron a mile

05-09-2011, 09:11 AM	#1
tptrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pt loma Posts: 101	Thanks Josh!!!!! Thank you for taking the time to give us the advice. I own all 3 of the reels plus a sealine 50. Tough decisions now. Used an Avet JX last May for a #51.9 ghost, but had to have it serviced because it took a bit of a douche. Not cheap, even at Squdco. Also, Josh, enjoyed your seminar at Fastlane. With all the trophies that you've landed, it seems that you would be a little "jaded" and not want to share your knowledge. It's really refreshing that you are as cool as you are. Thanks again!

05-09-2011, 01:06 PM	#2
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	My pleasure... Being that you already own those reels, I'd suggest practicing with the Shimano Torium 20 (that's if, the free-spool is in perfect working order?). At least the Shimano has a spool tension dial on the reel to aid in your learning curve. Once your casting in the 60-80 yard range, consistently without back-lashing, I'd switch to the Newell for those additional 20 yards. Like I said, I wouldn't suggest the Newell unless you're already casting at an expert level; as there's no spool tension knob. It's the way it should be; incredible free-spool with no breaks. The Newell is hard to beat (free-spool wise), unless you're catching big Yellowtail on the surface-iron with heavy drag...all the time. Or, plan to fish the surface-iron with spectra (this reel isn't made for that kind of stuff). If you're doing either of those things--- the drags just go out when the entire ocean erupts in front of you. Which isn't a big deal either if you have two jig-sticks on board, like me . Since you have a Daiwa Sealine 50 already (which has great free-spool as well), that's just another option for you. For me, even though the Daiwa Sealine 50 has great free-spool, it's a little too wide (same width as the Torium 30). Remember, each cast will be a direct result of how well you wound the line on. It's just more challenging to wind the line on perfectly with a wider spool. It's also more challenging to wind your line on perfectly with a reel that has a low gear ratio---if, you're trying to wind fast. Which is common on a lot of jigs to make them swim properly. For that reason, I prefer not only the perfect height and width of the spool, but a 6 to 1 gear ratio. In my opinion, the ultimate goal should be training your thumb to adjust to each swing. While spool tension and Magic Cast will help in the early stages of learning to cast---eventually, you should be casting with no breaks on the reel at all. Above all, like I said in my previous post---it's about one thing: catching more fish. And the surface-iron is a great tool to achieve that goal. While I have all conventional reels, without breaks or magnets used on any of them, my eyes are forever open when it comes to catching more fish; the sky's the limit! I still like to think, I improve every-time I'm on the water. And if a twenty-foot, hot pink, upside down coffee grinder with spectra can cast 200 yards---you might see me swinging one before it's all said and done. __________________

05-09-2011, 07:04 PM	#6
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Your reel tutorial was spot on. The Sealine X 40, and the Saltist 40 are my favorite reels. -------------------------------------------------- Daiwa has a couple of spinners made for spectra I'd like to try. I might have to dig out my old 12' Surf Rods. The Saltist spinner - retrieves 53" of line per crank, and 33 lbs of drag. Not bad for $200. I might bring one of these home. This would be nice on one of those new jigging rods w/ a knife jig. http://www.charkbait.com/cs/images/r...tist-spin1.jpg Then there is the Dog Fight spinner - retrieves 50" per crank and 66 lbs of drag. Made for cow tuna. $1099.95 http://www.charkbait.com/cs/images/r...-Dog-Fight.jpg __________________

05-21-2015, 02:34 PM	#12
roadx . Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,155	THE DARK HORSE and The KID on the same thread!!! pure gold!!!! __________________

05-22-2015, 06:14 PM	#14
roadx . Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,155	OK I'm gonna be the odd man out and suggest shimano 100 charter special, lever drag level wind. About $ 90.00. Cast control and graghite reel. Awesome yak setup. And yes it will chuck a iron a mile __________________

05-09-2011, 03:40 PM	#3
The Kid Loves Surface Irons Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 455	To join in on the Newell discussion, the tensioners are on the side plates on both the right and left side. However, you must adjust these with a large flat head screwdriver so on the water adjustment pretty much a pain in the ass.

05-09-2011, 04:12 PM	#5
The Kid Loves Surface Irons Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 455	hahahaha oh man you and I know it would be so freaking awesome!!! I would piss myself laughing with joy as that entire rod is bent in the water. The wafting of the immense rod by the simple lapping of the swell upon your yak, the lifting and crisp crack of the rod like the gauchos whip driving broncos into the corral, and the bend in the rod taken pleasure only by those whose have had so courageously sacrificed their arms to a creature swimming in a realm only we as humans can tap into with the median known simply as "line". You can count on me getting that set up within the next 2 months. Now to just find the right rod. Reel= Shimano XXXXXXX 10000. Rod= Bamboo chute.

05-10-2011, 11:20 AM	#9
tj805 Junior Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 12	i presonaly have a torium 16 and love it i got a killer deal on it like 160 brand new but is is super reliabile and i can fish for rockfish,halibit,salmon and albcore all with the same real is just have few differnt rods plus a loot of people tell me it is excacle the same as the trinidad just minus one bearing an 200 bucks hahaha

05-21-2015, 02:27 PM	#11
RookieYakker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 130	BUMP I was trying to educate my self on a good setup for throwing surface iron and came across this thread. Some great info! I have a couple Toriums, but I'm still not sure what to look for in a rod to pair it with

05-22-2015, 06:04 PM	#13
Gr8fuldude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Tehachapi, CA Posts: 166	Can anyone weigh in on the Penn Fathom 25N. Supposedly it's got the narrow spool and can free spool for forever and a day. Anyone here recommend it or not?