Kayakers rescued Friday 2/18 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dorado50 · 02-18-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YakMedic

12 knots and 15 gusts isn't very significant. At least usually doesn't req a rescue.

My point exactly.... that didn't take long

m1k3midg3 · 02-18-2011, 02:23 PM

there was one time where i didnt feel like it was safe to paddle out but did so anyways and it nearly got me killed but i do have to admit it was funner than hell and i would totally do it again. 15 foot waves are AWESOME to try to kayak surf. i had an anchor with me and i wiped out and the anchor line got wrapped round me but i was able to do untangle myself underwater.

mtnbykr2 · 02-18-2011, 02:24 PM

I guess it depends on wether you are paddling or pedaling, but I have been caught in naaaasty off shores, scarrey but doable, and it will wear you down...again be aware of the weather...

YakMedic · 02-18-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dorado50

My point exactly.... that didn't take long

Really...
My point is that 12 knot winds should not require a rescue. Should you go out in those winds? No, however if you were on the water and the winds came up. Would you require a rescue to get back to shore?

bigbarrels · 02-18-2011, 03:24 PM

you would think those kayak rental companies would keep a good eye on the current and predicted conditions before taking their clueless customers out

wonder if they charged extra for the extended tour of La Jolla?

bus kid · 02-18-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YakMedic

Really...
My point is that 12 knot winds should not require a rescue. Should you go out in those winds? No, however if you were on the water and the winds came up. Would you require a rescue to get back to shore?

tourist, probably never paddled or peddled a yak. The rental company should have know better.

the real question is how did they get in contact with the lifeguards, from a post I read, it sounded like that is almost impossible.

hay yakmedic, is it just me or is your kayak sitting low in the water in your avatar, passing wave?

YakMedic · 02-18-2011, 04:02 PM

hay yakmedic, is it just me or is your kayak sitting low in the water in your avatar, passing wave?[/QUOTE]

Both,
I'm not a little guy, I have a xfactor now also so it rides higher.

Aaron&Julie · 02-18-2011, 04:05 PM

I tend to agree, that those people were out of their element.
We've had to go 3 miles from the south LJ kelp with a strong downhill current against us, and 15mph+ North winds in our face, to get back to the launch. It probably took us over 2 hours to do it and it was the hardest we ever had to work, but it beats ending up in TJ.
Add-on: we paddled our Fish n Dives using the original paddles that came with our Cobra package. Too short, bad design, and heavier than the Werner 2-piece ones we bought last year.
On the plus note, Julie caught her 1st WSB (30+) in the south kelp area, and I managed to end the long day/paddle with a yellow (30+), once we passed the Condo. Just rewards, but made one helluva workout worthwhile

maui jim · 02-19-2011, 08:34 AM

we paddled our Fish n Dives using the original paddles that came with our Cobra package. Too short, bad design, and heavier than the Werner 2-piece ones we bought last year.

Hey Aron and Julie, I've bee thinking about a new paddle for the Cobra Tan, You like you Werners paddles.

Aaron&Julie · 02-19-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by maui jim

we paddled our Fish n Dives using the original paddles that came with our Cobra package. Too short, bad design, and heavier than the Werner 2-piece ones we bought last year.

Hey Aron and Julie, I've bee thinking about a new paddle for the Cobra Tan, You like you Werners paddles.

We like them a lot. Cost was about $250 each at the OEX in Mission Bay. We like the feel and that they are 2-piece, which we were a little leary about at first. The OEX guy (forget his name) assured us Werner would replace them for any problems we encountered.
Aaron

maui jim · 02-19-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

We like them a lot. Cost was about $250 each at the OEX in Mission Bay. We like the feel and that they are 2-piece, which we were a little leary about at first. The OEX guy (forget his name) assured us Werner would replace them for any problems we encountered.
Aaron

THANKS FOR THE INPUT GUYS.

WahooUSMA · 02-18-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YakMedic

Really...
My point is that 12 knot winds should not require a rescue. Should you go out in those winds? No, however if you were on the water and the winds came up. Would you require a rescue to get back to shore?

See graph above from Ice!

peguinpower · 02-18-2011, 07:07 PM

Ive been out there in bad conditions.

Didnt know any better.

Saw water spouts in the horizon and thought "wow, cool!".

Then the wind stopped, and started blowing in the opposite direction.

Real hard, like 50 mph, 70 even.

Coolers full of beer were rolling down the beach.

The wind was so strong, it would twist my torso when it caught the paddle.

I couldnt keep my kayak pointed into the wind.

And when it turned, it made a sound. Whub whub whub!

WTF was that?, I thought, and then it started to tip.

When the wind caught the underside of the kayak, its made another sound.

Whooooosh. Whoooooosh.

And then it flipped.

I was upside down, in the seat, watching my gear hang on their leashes.

I flipped 2 more times in less than 5 minutes.

I thought I was going to die that day.

I'll save you the rest of the story.

The wind is no joke.

Be careful out there.

Aaron&Julie · 02-19-2011, 10:26 AM

Not calling you a liar, but if it was blowing that hard, we would call for help, assuming we had a phone/radio.

Once, in SD Bay, we got towed by a very nice PBer who saw we weren't making any progress. It was only blowing 25+mph. If it was blowing 50-70 we might have ended up fishing the Coronado Islands.

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Originally Posted by peguinpower

Real hard, like 50 mph, 70 even.

peguinpower · 02-20-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

Not calling you a liar, but if it was blowing that hard, we would call for help, assuming we had a phone/radio.

Once, in SD Bay, we got towed by a very nice PBer who saw we weren't making any progress. It was only blowing 25+mph. If it was blowing 50-70 we might have ended up fishing the Coronado Islands.

Its called a squall. A sudden violent gust of wind. Lookit up.

We were trying to land when it hit, and it blew us more than a mile parallel to the beach. It lasted no more than 15 minutes before we were able to get on the sand paddling chest down and drfiting sideways. Surfers dragged us up the shore when we landed. They had seen us getting blown away and had already called rescue. My own radio, a uniden got fried that day. Never reached for it as i was trying to stay alive. When i popped my head above the water, the wind would fill my eyes, ears and nose with water. I heard later That a pb hailed for rescue in the bay that day as well. Crazy weather. From then on, waterspouts and lightning in the horizon means im getting off the water.

But if you dont believe me, thats cool.

monkeyfishturds · 02-20-2011, 11:56 AM

peguinpower, i fish in malibu. at least once every winter they clock offshore winds between 50 and 90 mph. crazy stuff! it's foolish to go out when they're calling for bad weather. even if it was only 15 mph, those beginners where unable to paddle back to shore. the guide should have known beginners might not be able to paddle against winds 15 and above.
beginners have no idea what wind speed they can handle. it's all new to them.

Aaron&Julie · 02-21-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by peguinpower

Its called a squall. A sudden violent gust of wind. Lookit up.

We were trying to land when it hit, and it blew us more than a mile parallel to the beach. It lasted no more than 15 minutes before we were able to get on the sand paddling chest down and drfiting sideways. Surfers dragged us up the shore when we landed. They had seen us getting blown away and had already called rescue. My own radio, a uniden got fried that day. Never reached for it as i was trying to stay alive. When i popped my head above the water, the wind would fill my eyes, ears and nose with water. I heard later That a pb hailed for rescue in the bay that day as well. Crazy weather. From then on, waterspouts and lightning in the horizon means im getting off the water.

But if you dont believe me, thats cool.

I was just saying, if I had a phone or radio, I'd call for help in that case. We usually don't carry either, so we'd be screwed. Don't take it personal.

CurtyL · 02-26-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

Not calling you a liar, but if it was blowing that hard, we would call for help, assuming we had a phone/radio.

Once, in SD Bay, we got towed by a very nice PBer who saw we weren't making any progress. It was only blowing 25+mph. If it was blowing 50-70 we might have ended up fishing the Coronado Islands.

could it have been the tide? fighting a tide plus wind in the bay is a straight up b*tch. comparing wind conditions in the bays to LJ is like comparing apples to oranges.

YakMedic · 02-18-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WahooUSMA

See graph above from Ice!

Look at the time on the chart. It updates. The correct time frame showed 12 knots

wiredantz · 02-18-2011, 08:06 PM

When i am bymyself i just keep my radio tuned to the weather alert system. I am not taking no chances.

02-18-2011, 04:05 PM	#8
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	I tend to agree, that those people were out of their element. We've had to go 3 miles from the south LJ kelp with a strong downhill current against us, and 15mph+ North winds in our face, to get back to the launch. It probably took us over 2 hours to do it and it was the hardest we ever had to work, but it beats ending up in TJ. *Add-on: we paddled our Fish n Dives using the original paddles that came with our Cobra package. Too short, bad design, and heavier than the Werner 2-piece ones we bought last year. On the plus note, Julie caught her 1st WSB (30+) in the south kelp area, and I managed to end the long day/paddle with a yellow (30+), once we passed the Condo. Just rewards, but made one helluva workout worthwhile __________________ "Never say die" Last edited by Aaron&Julie; 02-18-2011 at 06:30 PM.*

02-19-2011, 08:34 AM	#9
maui jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cypress, CA Posts: 789	we paddled our Fish n Dives using the original paddles that came with our Cobra package. Too short, bad design, and heavier than the Werner 2-piece ones we bought last year. Hey Aron and Julie, I've bee thinking about a new paddle for the Cobra Tan, You like you Werners paddles. __________________

02-18-2011, 02:23 PM	#2
m1k3midg3 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 108	there was one time where i didnt feel like it was safe to paddle out but did so anyways and it nearly got me killed but i do have to admit it was funner than hell and i would totally do it again. 15 foot waves are AWESOME to try to kayak surf. i had an anchor with me and i wiped out and the anchor line got wrapped round me but i was able to do untangle myself underwater.

02-18-2011, 02:24 PM	#3
mtnbykr2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newbury park ca Posts: 2,323	I guess it depends on wether you are paddling or pedaling, but I have been caught in naaaasty off shores, scarrey but doable, and it will wear you down...again be aware of the weather...

02-18-2011, 03:24 PM	#5
bigbarrels Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vista Posts: 1,111	you would think those kayak rental companies would keep a good eye on the current and predicted conditions before taking their clueless customers out wonder if they charged extra for the extended tour of La Jolla?

02-18-2011, 04:02 PM	#7
YakMedic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wrightwood Posts: 623	hay yakmedic, is it just me or is your kayak sitting low in the water in your avatar, passing wave?[/QUOTE] Both, I'm not a little guy, I have a xfactor now also so it rides higher.

02-18-2011, 07:07 PM	#13
peguinpower bing! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: socal Posts: 246	Ive been out there in bad conditions. Didnt know any better. Saw water spouts in the horizon and thought "wow, cool!". Then the wind stopped, and started blowing in the opposite direction. Real hard, like 50 mph, 70 even. Coolers full of beer were rolling down the beach. The wind was so strong, it would twist my torso when it caught the paddle. I couldnt keep my kayak pointed into the wind. And when it turned, it made a sound. Whub whub whub! WTF was that?, I thought, and then it started to tip. When the wind caught the underside of the kayak, its made another sound. Whooooosh. Whoooooosh. And then it flipped. I was upside down, in the seat, watching my gear hang on their leashes. I flipped 2 more times in less than 5 minutes. I thought I was going to die that day. I'll save you the rest of the story. The wind is no joke. Be careful out there.

02-20-2011, 11:56 AM	#16
monkeyfishturds Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 74	peguinpower, i fish in malibu. at least once every winter they clock offshore winds between 50 and 90 mph. crazy stuff! it's foolish to go out when they're calling for bad weather. even if it was only 15 mph, those beginners where unable to paddle back to shore. the guide should have known beginners might not be able to paddle against winds 15 and above. beginners have no idea what wind speed they can handle. it's all new to them.

02-18-2011, 08:06 PM	#20
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	When i am bymyself i just keep my radio tuned to the weather alert system. I am not taking no chances.