Waders of death? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Jimmyz123 · 01-27-2011, 09:42 AM

I'm still not seeing death by waders here. Sure in the cold waters like he was in I would wear more than that but really here in San Diego or So. Cal do we really need waders? All I want are some drypants and jacket, which my wife just ordered for me, and I think that's all I need. I know the water can get cold here, but not in the 30s.

PAL · 01-27-2011, 10:41 AM

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

Jimmyz123 · 01-27-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

You are correct PAL, I did not read what you were saying correctly. I was expecting to see his waders fill with water but, like with Jim's, they sucked to his legs and did not sink him. Yes, off shore in those cold temps, one could die from the cold water trying to paddle back to shore, depending how far off they are.

I love watching those videos though.

old_rookie · 01-27-2011, 12:01 PM

Near the end there was comment about the waders filling up and pulling him down. Why would that happen?? It wouldn't. There is a misconception about that. I'd you put a bucket in a pool then fill it with water it won't drop to the bottom like a rock.

MVC · 01-27-2011, 01:08 PM

I was with Ryan in Catalina when he went in the water for about 45 minutes and came out almost dry in waders and a paddle top. The conditions were about as bad as they can get. I agree with Andy.

dsafety · 01-27-2011, 05:03 PM

My new zipper waders are very wide at the top. Like the top of a funnel, not form fitting at all. Without a belt, these guys could become the death trap you mentioned. Of course if you have a splash jacket or something similar on over the waders, that problem would be minimized.

Note to self... always wear a belt and try not to flip.

Bob

Amish Ed · 01-27-2011, 09:48 PM

Will the bucket sink? No. But, what happens when you try to pick that bucket up out the water? Huge amount of weight. So, if your waders fill up you need to strip down, then re-enter your yak. 56º water can get you hypothermia quicker than you think. That being said, waders with a dry top would be fine. I rarely wear my waders, but when i do it's mid-winter and night time. I layer for the cold, but should invest in a dry top.

Siebler · 01-30-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MVC

I was with Ryan in Catalina when he went in the water for about 45 minutes and came out almost dry in waders and a paddle top. The conditions were about as bad as they can get. I agree with Andy.

As much as I refuse to wear waders it isnt for the fact that I see them as dangerous because like you said, those conditions were HORRIBLE and Ryan still made it back alive.

WahooUSMA · 01-29-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

Heat is lost more quickly in water than on land. Water temperatures that would be quite reasonable as outdoor air temperatures can lead to hypothermia. A water temperature of 10 °C (50 °F) often leads to death in one hour, and water temperatures hovering at freezing can lead to death in as little as 15 minutes. Water at a temperature of 26 °C (79 °F) will, after prolonged exposure, lead to hypothermia.

bus kid · 01-29-2011, 06:57 PM

Just fish in the summer.

MVC · 01-30-2011, 08:34 AM

I always have my radio clipped to my PFD. I have gone into the water a few times with waders but was never there long enough for them to fill with water.

PAL · 01-30-2011, 10:04 AM

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Heat is lost more quickly in water than on land. Water temperatures that would be quite reasonable as outdoor air temperatures can lead to hypothermia. A water temperature of 10 °C (50 °F) often leads to death in one hour, and water temperatures hovering at freezing can lead to death in as little as 15 minutes. Water at a temperature of 26 °C (79 °F) will, after prolonged exposure, lead to hypothermia.

Thanks for doing the homework. Somewhere or other there's a temperature / survival time chart put together by the USCG. IIRC, it looks a lot like the data you cite.

old_rookie · 01-30-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bus kid

Just fish in the summer.

Just don't fall in. Shoot.... I probably jinxed myself. Watch I'll be the next one to fall in.

Fishcrazy · 02-01-2011, 06:37 AM

Great discussion. The best thing to do is test your own system in controlled conditions. You'll be surprised - I was.

Ric
(the guy in the video)

01-27-2011, 09:48 PM	#7
Amish Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,906	Will the bucket sink? No. But, what happens when you try to pick that bucket up out the water? Huge amount of weight. So, if your waders fill up you need to strip down, then re-enter your yak. 56º water can get you hypothermia quicker than you think. That being said, waders with a dry top would be fine. I rarely wear my waders, but when i do it's mid-winter and night time. I layer for the cold, but should invest in a dry top. __________________ Amish Ed You can't catch it again if it's dead!

01-29-2011, 06:57 PM	#10
bus kid Team Keine Zugehörigkeit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Way out there Posts: 2,854	Just fish in the summer. __________________ Não alimente os trolls------------Don't feed the trolls---------------インタネット荒らしを無視しろ

02-01-2011, 06:37 AM	#14
Fishcrazy Junior Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1	Wadersst Great discussion. The best thing to do is test your own system in controlled conditions. You'll be surprised - I was. Ric (the guy in the video)

01-27-2011, 09:42 AM	#1
Jimmyz123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,385	I'm still not seeing death by waders here. Sure in the cold waters like he was in I would wear more than that but really here in San Diego or So. Cal do we really need waders? All I want are some drypants and jacket, which my wife just ordered for me, and I think that's all I need. I know the water can get cold here, but not in the 30s.

01-27-2011, 10:41 AM	#2
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature? When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

01-27-2011, 12:01 PM	#4
old_rookie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Santee Posts: 904	Near the end there was comment about the waders filling up and pulling him down. Why would that happen?? It wouldn't. There is a misconception about that. I'd you put a bucket in a pool then fill it with water it won't drop to the bottom like a rock.

01-27-2011, 01:08 PM	#5
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I was with Ryan in Catalina when he went in the water for about 45 minutes and came out almost dry in waders and a paddle top. The conditions were about as bad as they can get. I agree with Andy.

01-27-2011, 05:03 PM	#6
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	My new zipper waders are very wide at the top. Like the top of a funnel, not form fitting at all. Without a belt, these guys could become the death trap you mentioned. Of course if you have a splash jacket or something similar on over the waders, that problem would be minimized. Note to self... always wear a belt and try not to flip. Bob

01-30-2011, 08:34 AM	#11
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I always have my radio clipped to my PFD. I have gone into the water a few times with waders but was never there long enough for them to fill with water.