Smoking and the MLPA - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

old_rookie · 10-17-2010, 07:37 AM

but you can still smoke in your house, in your car, on your patio, front yard, backyard, at the park... I can't fish at my house... well... the way my pool is turning green maybe I can.

StinkyMatt · 10-17-2010, 06:52 PM

I see the passion...
The analogy is faulty.

Smoking has no benefit to anyone , not even the smoker. (At most you can reach and say it calms them, or helps them with their nerves.)
Smoking has tremendous costs associated with it, which often times the smoker does not pay for.

Fishing benefits:
fisherman,
the local businesses,
provides a recreational activity,
and even the city/ state governments who collect taxes and fees from us.

When a poor analogy is used it may take away from the very valid points that we need to present to protect our right to fish.

tony · 10-17-2010, 07:48 PM

I'm sure PETA and similar organizations would agree that this analogy is spot on.........
Because .....
Fishing is a cruel and barbaric activity.
C&R is just as cruel because Sea Kittens feel pain.
Losing the business and taxes is a necessary step to eliminating the pain and suffering brought upon this world by fishermen.
There is no need for anyone to fish period.
Eating fish is hazardous to your health.
Etc, etc, etc.........

Dont fool yourself.....
A large percentage of the people behind these closures want to eliminate fishing...period....
The rest dont give a flying rats ass about fishing because it doesnt affect them, so "saving the environment" and rescuing Sea Kittens sounds reasonable and the politically correct thing to do.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.....This is the point Aquatic Hunter is making

If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to death. - Daniel Quinn

Oh...and you lobster guys are the worst....boiling Sea Kittens alive
Hmmm....Steak and lobster....I'm getting hungry.....but I think I'll have a smoke first....

StinkyMatt · 10-17-2010, 09:12 PM

Hey Tony, you may be right about something here.....Logic and reason are not always understood by all. PETA fanatics are probably exactly the way you describe. Crap......if we can't use logic and reason...we are screwed!

AquaticHunter · 10-18-2010, 01:03 PM

I think most people get the point.

We don't want to lose this battle because it's only a matter of time before they go for what they really want. The smoking nazis initially said they only wanted a small section in the back of the restaurant off limits to smoking. Maybe 10% of the total square footage. Sound familiar? They knew they would have never been able to pass what they really wanted at one time so they lied.

The scary part of the smoking analogy is that at 43, all this has happened in my adult lifetime. We're losing freedoms at an alarmingly fast rate.

Riskey Water · 10-18-2010, 02:59 PM

The main point of this topic is GIVING UP OUR RIGHTS PIECE BY PIECE to those that feel its Wrong to take a fraction OF THE THE TOTAL FISH COUNT. We are THE MINORITY so who will listen if WE DON'T SPEAK UP There are many on this board who are MORE INFORMED and EDUCATED to read between the lines of what is HAPPENING TO OUR RIGHTS .So please don't lose sight of the goal and EFFORTS of those trying to help .I'm no lawyer and I do not understand the DOUBLE TALK of what is trying to be passed , but I do TRUST THOSE THAT ARE SPEAKING FOR US. Thank You

Gino · 10-18-2010, 03:42 PM

we are the minority. We should call the ACLU

10-17-2010, 07:48 PM	#3
tony Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: La Jolla Posts: 130	I'm sure PETA and similar organizations would agree that this analogy is spot on......... Because ..... Fishing is a cruel and barbaric activity. C&R is just as cruel because Sea Kittens feel pain. Losing the business and taxes is a necessary step to eliminating the pain and suffering brought upon this world by fishermen. There is no need for anyone to fish period. Eating fish is hazardous to your health. Etc, etc, etc......... Dont fool yourself..... A large percentage of the people behind these closures want to eliminate fishing...period.... The rest dont give a flying rats ass about fishing because it doesnt affect them, so "saving the environment" and rescuing Sea Kittens sounds reasonable and the politically correct thing to do. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.....This is the point Aquatic Hunter is making If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to death. - Daniel Quinn Oh...and you lobster guys are the worst....boiling Sea Kittens alive Hmmm....Steak and lobster....I'm getting hungry.....but I think I'll have a smoke first.... Last edited by tony; 10-17-2010 at 08:23 PM.

10-18-2010, 01:03 PM	#5
AquaticHunter Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newbury Park Posts: 51	I think most people get the point. We don't want to lose this battle because it's only a matter of time before they go for what they really want. The smoking nazis initially said they only wanted a small section in the back of the restaurant off limits to smoking. Maybe 10% of the total square footage. Sound familiar? They knew they would have never been able to pass what they really wanted at one time so they lied. The scary part of the smoking analogy is that at 43, all this has happened in my adult lifetime. We're losing freedoms at an alarmingly fast rate. __________________ CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof...

10-17-2010, 07:37 AM	#1
old_rookie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Santee Posts: 904	but you can still smoke in your house, in your car, on your patio, front yard, backyard, at the park... I can't fish at my house... well... the way my pool is turning green maybe I can.

10-17-2010, 06:52 PM	#2
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,169	I see the passion... The analogy is faulty. Smoking has no benefit to anyone , not even the smoker. (At most you can reach and say it calms them, or helps them with their nerves.) Smoking has tremendous costs associated with it, which often times the smoker does not pay for. Fishing benefits: fisherman, the local businesses, provides a recreational activity, and even the city/ state governments who collect taxes and fees from us. When a poor analogy is used it may take away from the very valid points that we need to present to protect our right to fish.

10-17-2010, 09:12 PM	#4
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,169	Hey Tony, you may be right about something here.....Logic and reason are not always understood by all. PETA fanatics are probably exactly the way you describe. Crap......if we can't use logic and reason...we are screwed!

10-18-2010, 02:59 PM	#6
Riskey Water Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On the water ofcourse Posts: 142	The main point of this topic is GIVING UP OUR RIGHTS PIECE BY PIECE to those that feel its Wrong to take a fraction OF THE THE TOTAL FISH COUNT. We are THE MINORITY so who will listen if WE DON'T SPEAK UP There are many on this board who are MORE INFORMED and EDUCATED to read between the lines of what is HAPPENING TO OUR RIGHTS .So please don't lose sight of the goal and EFFORTS of those trying to help .I'm no lawyer and I do not understand the DOUBLE TALK of what is trying to be passed , but I do TRUST THOSE THAT ARE SPEAKING FOR US. Thank You

10-18-2010, 03:42 PM	#7
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	we are the minority. We should call the ACLU