Arnie and his enviro cronies screwed us--AGAIN - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Kiyo · 10-02-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gino

Whitman is run by political advisors. What she will say in public and What she will say in private may be 2 differant things. (or even what shes saying in public for that matter)
Thats a Craps Table Dice roll...win big or bust.

Were as Jerry Brown is well connected with the political enviormental possey. His apointments to the Air/Carb board speak plainly enough. The guy seeks support from Unions and Enviormental influences. Besides why trust a man whos hands have been on the kiln shaping the mess this state is in. The guys been in CA politics for 40 years. Hes done nothing to stop it, what makes you think he will now? Hes never balanced a payroll in his life anyways.

Just look where the money is comming from, and whos contributing to whome. And youll have your answer to that question.

Ive said it before the next governor has the power to work on either sides behalf on this process. The State STILL doesn thave a budget for this year... It will be the least of the next Governors problems.

Gino... Jim Kellogg, who is the union pipe fitters president donated something like $500,000.00 to Jerry Brown. Jim Kellogg is also the president of the Fish and Game Commission and sides with Richards. I believe Jim Kellogg is a president of some hunting club too and loves fishing. This tells me to vote for Brown.

GregAndrew · 10-02-2010, 05:39 PM

Like someone else already stated, because of his actions in this process, I regret having cast a vote in the direction of Arne. It appears, by all the recent evidence, that he intends for this to be a moot point for the next governor anyway. He wants this to be his legacy and will cram it down our throats before Dec. recess, and to hell with reason. I would love to see the judge that required the BRTF to show all their work halt the process until everyone had a chance to chew it over.

I would not want to hazard a guess as to which of the candidates for the next governor would better meet our expectations. Nor do I expect anyone to cast their vote solely based on their interpretation of the candidates stance on the MLPA (or their stance on Unions). There are too many other very important considerations for each and every one of us in this state today. You gotta pick the package that is best for you and eat a little vinegar with your sugar.

I hope, at the meeting, we can all keep our heads and be on topic so that the other side appears to be what they are. They are the fanatics, the instigators, the liars and the ones that prey on the ill informed and those that could care less.

The fact is that there will be an MLPA process unless the voters repeal the law. There will be reserves and conservation areas which, unfortunately, will close some peoples favorite spots. But, what was in the passed law is a far cry from what we are being presented in the all but final product. Complete areas of consideration (like flora, pollution, etc.), all highly related, have been swept under the rug from consideration. Not to mention all the above mentioned back room and chopping block dealings that have been going on throughout the process. Seems to me that this is the weakest link in the chain, and the point most easily attacked.

Holy Mackerel · 10-02-2010, 07:42 PM

Oh boy, time to lock this thread.........

Gino · 10-02-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiyo

Gino... Jim Kellogg, who is the union pipe fitters president donated something like $500,000.00 to Jerry Brown. Jim Kellogg is also the president of the Fish and Game Commission and sides with Richards. I believe Jim Kellogg is a president of some hunting club too and loves fishing. This tells me to vote for Brown.

That is all 100% true Kiyo

I was talking more along the lines of public employee unions. Even with those Contributions, Jerry Brown has pushed a very strong Green Agenda. So the contribution may have more to do with public works projects and future contracts aka work. Since the money came form the Pipe/steam fitters Union, and has little to do with Fishing rights. Jerry Brown is one man who does not back down on an Enviormental Agenda. The 405 and 5 freeways between 3-6pm are proof of that. Im acually a big fan of trade unions, But i think once they dibble & dabel into the political theater i think they have over reached there intented purpose. Trade unions and Public Employee unions are almost night and day in comparrison. I personally dont think public employees, employed by the taxpayers should be unionized. I could make a great case for it. And Jerry Brown orchestrated it during his first terms has governor (not that i was born yet)

Im not a fan of either Canidate, And I apologize if recently or in the past I may have sounded persuasive about the governors race.
I personally wont be taking part in picking the next governor. I honestly think that anyone who is capable of running this state effectively is acually to smart to want the job

CurtyL · 10-04-2010, 07:59 AM

dang, I missed one of the best threads ever.

I guess old Stan got the boot.

Hunters Pa · 10-04-2010, 08:51 AM

Isn't Arnies private residence in Pacific Palisades, with a nice view? No wonder he sides with the Malibu celebs & Laguna elitists.

Caballito · 10-04-2010, 11:28 AM

I think "Suck Me" was responding to "Stan"...and was very correct in doing so!

"There once was a...." ...excellent!

Tman · 10-04-2010, 07:47 PM

Usually people like my limericks, OK OK, I'll tone it down...

There once was an enviro named Stan
Who thought he would say all he can
He spewed bull$@!# around
And in the end he found
All his actions got him a ban!

10-04-2010, 11:28 AM	#7
Caballito Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 42	I think "Suck Me" was responding to "Stan"...and was very correct in doing so! "There once was a...." ...excellent! __________________ Caballito

10-04-2010, 07:47 PM	#8
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Ode to Stan, Part II Usually people like my limericks, OK OK, I'll tone it down... There once was an enviro named Stan Who thought he would say all he can He spewed bull$@!# around And in the end he found All his actions got him a ban! __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-02-2010, 05:39 PM	#2
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	Like someone else already stated, because of his actions in this process, I regret having cast a vote in the direction of Arne. It appears, by all the recent evidence, that he intends for this to be a moot point for the next governor anyway. He wants this to be his legacy and will cram it down our throats before Dec. recess, and to hell with reason. I would love to see the judge that required the BRTF to show all their work halt the process until everyone had a chance to chew it over. I would not want to hazard a guess as to which of the candidates for the next governor would better meet our expectations. Nor do I expect anyone to cast their vote solely based on their interpretation of the candidates stance on the MLPA (or their stance on Unions). There are too many other very important considerations for each and every one of us in this state today. You gotta pick the package that is best for you and eat a little vinegar with your sugar. I hope, at the meeting, we can all keep our heads and be on topic so that the other side appears to be what they are. They are the fanatics, the instigators, the liars and the ones that prey on the ill informed and those that could care less. The fact is that there will be an MLPA process unless the voters repeal the law. There will be reserves and conservation areas which, unfortunately, will close some peoples favorite spots. But, what was in the passed law is a far cry from what we are being presented in the all but final product. Complete areas of consideration (like flora, pollution, etc.), all highly related, have been swept under the rug from consideration. Not to mention all the above mentioned back room and chopping block dealings that have been going on throughout the process. Seems to me that this is the weakest link in the chain, and the point most easily attacked.

10-02-2010, 07:42 PM	#3
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Oh boy, time to lock this thread.........

10-04-2010, 07:59 AM	#5
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	dang, I missed one of the best threads ever. I guess old Stan got the boot.

10-04-2010, 08:51 AM	#6
Hunters Pa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fullerton Posts: 1,361	Isn't Arnies private residence in Pacific Palisades, with a nice view? No wonder he sides with the Malibu celebs & Laguna elitists.