New Scientific Studies Make the Case for the Marine Life Protection Act - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Dan · 02-26-2010, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Whizz Bang

What body of scientific evidence? What sound science? Where is the preponderance of evidence???

The reports are published in PNAS. I will need to read them at work today.

Whizz Bang · 02-26-2010, 08:07 AM

It is very convenient that this study came out when it did. Coincidence? Not likely. The granola lady and some friends just created a new model that will interpet the data in the manner they want. From what I read, they created this little computer model and fed it the same old sparse empirical data they had on hand and then pronounced that it shows MLPAs are good for everyone. Because it is an ocean with currents, and because fish have fins and swim around, they have a hard time counting them....it is far easier to just create a computer model that interpets old data and skews it the proper way. Not science so much as it is BS.

Anytime I see a "scientific report" by any group that has the words conservancy or protection attached to it, I get out my waders.

stairman · 02-26-2010, 09:10 AM

here are a few of the stories that are on that web site ...very revealing.more
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Gino · 02-26-2010, 09:55 AM

Its a left wing thing...

Not to make a political push, but when you vote for liberals (Arnold included) This is a by product of what you get MLPA!

They will always know what is best for you! and your family! and the Enviorment! OMG!

And if you dont agree with them your not "progressive" or a neanderthal.

Look at that Ladies page there The Noble Sir Whiz Bang and Squire Stairman posted... It Reaks of Left Wing ideology. She votes and supports the gang that wants to take away your fishing rights.

We got to find or create a gang that will protect ours.

dos ballenas · 02-26-2010, 10:15 AM

I know a lot of leftys against the mlpa process... there is a difference between them and the "green extremists"

Its sad that more often than not science is given a bad name and dragged into the fight due to these extremists tactics.

Most scientists I know are on the fishermens side, both commercially and recreationally. They laugh at the "greenies" and how easy it is for them to sway the vote by manipulating the results of scientific research to show their extreme view points.

Its true, some of the science is probably bad and may be biased, but regardless, its all about how its presented. And the greenies are very good at making their arguement.

j mo · 02-26-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dos ballenas

And the greenies are very good at making their arguement.

soo frustratingly true.

Billy V · 02-26-2010, 11:21 AM

The world is being taken over by vegan lesbians.

I hope they keep a couple of us males around for sex slaves.

02-26-2010, 08:07 AM	#2
Whizz Bang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 396	Save you the time Dan It is very convenient that this study came out when it did. Coincidence? Not likely. The granola lady and some friends just created a new model that will interpet the data in the manner they want. From what I read, they created this little computer model and fed it the same old sparse empirical data they had on hand and then pronounced that it shows MLPAs are good for everyone. Because it is an ocean with currents, and because fish have fins and swim around, they have a hard time counting them....it is far easier to just create a computer model that interpets old data and skews it the proper way. Not science so much as it is BS. Anytime I see a "scientific report" by any group that has the words conservancy or protection attached to it, I get out my waders.

02-26-2010, 09:10 AM	#3
stairman Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 84	here are a few of the stories that are on that web site ...very revealing.more Obama Will Win Health Care Political Theater: Then What? By Randy Shaw It’s a safe bet that President Obama will run intellectual circles around Congressional Republicans at today’s televised health care forum, as nobody does political theater better than Barack Obama. From his acclaimed speech on race Navigation Donate Syndicate Search Search this site: Ads Blogroll Progress Report Friends: Bayne of Blogs Beyond Chron California Budget Bites Health Access Blog California Majority Report Calitics Privacy Revolt CALPIRG Blog CLCV Blog Courage Campaign D Day Protect Consumer Justice Speak Out California Center for Policy Analysis News, Opinion, Gossip Around the Capitol Calbuzz Capitol Alert Capitol Notes Capitol Weekly LA Observed Political Blotter Rough & Tumble Voices of San Diego Opposing Views Flash Report Fox & Hounds Daily Does Your Insurance Company Want You To Die? J.G. Preston Protect Consumer Justice “My best guess is that they want me dead as soon as possible….They know that the premiums I pay will never cover how much they’ll spend on me.” Those were the words of Bob Iritano in a conversation with Los Angeles Times business columnist David Lazarus. Iritano has terminal cancer, and Lazarus went on to write about how Iritano’s health insurer, Health Net, decided not to cover the treatment that could extend his life. Meg's California By Robert Cruickshank Meg Whitman is a master of slick campaigning. Her feel good radio and TV ads are designed to make her seem like a moderate, pragmatic person who will help cure what ails California. Just today she launched her second TV ad, one in which the word "Republican" is never mentioned. When it comes to the #1 task our next governor will face - solving the budget crisis - she is offering a continuation of Arnold Schwarzenegger's slash-and-burn cuts. But you wouldn't know that from Whitman's ads. She doesn't make reference to her refusal to embrace new revenues to save popular and

02-26-2010, 10:15 AM	#5
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	I know a lot of leftys against the mlpa process... there is a difference between them and the "green extremists" Its sad that more often than not science is given a bad name and dragged into the fight due to these extremists tactics. Most scientists I know are on the fishermens side, both commercially and recreationally. They laugh at the "greenies" and how easy it is for them to sway the vote by manipulating the results of scientific research to show their extreme view points. Its true, some of the science is probably bad and may be biased, but regardless, its all about how its presented. And the greenies are very good at making their arguement. __________________ ____________________________________________

02-26-2010, 09:55 AM	#4
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 520	Its a left wing thing... Not to make a political push, but when you vote for liberals (Arnold included) This is a by product of what you get MLPA! They will always know what is best for you! and your family! and the Enviorment! OMG! And if you dont agree with them your not "progressive" or a neanderthal. Look at that Ladies page there The Noble Sir Whiz Bang and Squire Stairman posted... It Reaks of Left Wing ideology. She votes and supports the gang that wants to take away your fishing rights. We got to find or create a gang that will protect ours.

02-26-2010, 11:21 AM	#7
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	The world is being taken over by vegan lesbians. I hope they keep a couple of us males around for sex slaves.