DFG MEETING ROLL CALL! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 12-09-2009, 04:37 PM

If Billy V can come up on his death bed, and give a ceded time, ie 3 mins, presentation, then more kayakers need to step up, and show up. Thank you Billy!

There will likely be 3 more public comment meetings with the DFG commision, and possibly the final decision December 2010. They are more friendly than BRTF. There were more fishermen today, but we need to keep up the pressure, and our presence.

In case you missed it...

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F&G Commissioner Dan Richards is my new hero!

He's insisting on line item BRTF budget details, asking about meetings out of compliance with the Brown Act, and how the IPA could have been created over a couple hours. He seems skeptical about funding, conflicts of interests etc.

Meg Caldwell and other BRTF members are dancing around but he's not buying much of it.

Good seeing my kayak friends today! Even Clay the Fish catcher questioned the BRTF closed door meetings!

so cal shaggy · 12-09-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Mackerel

They are more friendly than BRTF. There were more fishermen today, but we need to keep up the pressure, and our presence.

In case you missed it...

Good seeing my kayak friends today! Even Clay the Fish catcher questioned the BRTF closed door meetings!

I do not know if the F&G commission is friendlier but they are about the business at hand and how the decisions made by the BRTF are going to affect them. I am sorry I could not stay longer These meeting take a lot out of me mentally and I am pretty burned out plus I had to get Erika home for her class. Even on the drive home Erika was asking me some questions as to some of the people that approached me and I had to tell her that I was completely zoned out during the meeting and I pretty much turn into a robot and do not remember much about what happened during the day.

dos ballenas · 12-09-2009, 06:50 PM

today was only the second time I could make it to one of these thingys and it was actually pretty cool, but the thing that stuck out to me was when I was talking to a blue ribbon supporter and they said,
" ...there are hardly any kayak fishermen out there anyways so who cares.""

I was shocked none the less, but looking around, it did seem true. If everyone could commit to one of these meeting I think it would really make a huge difference. If there had been 1000 kayakers there today instead of 100 it would have been a major impact. Hell, if there had been over 1000 sport fishermen it could have been a pretty powerful room.

I am def going to the next ones... its something you shouldn't miss, even just go sit there, you'll learn something. thanks for everyone who got a chance to speak...

Matt · 12-09-2009, 07:08 PM

Just got back....and couldn't stick it out any longer, but it does seem if the dfg are questioning ALOT of what my pal Meg has done.....so I am pessimistically optimistic....we definitely outnumbered the Jihadist enviros today and there is some more positives coming soon for LJ(possibly)....stay tuned they have not won this fight yet!!!!!!

Thanks to all that attended.....Grego even had a life size cut out of his one and only halibut that he has ever caught and for a minimal fee he would let you take a picture next to him and his fish!!!

emrliquidlife · 12-09-2009, 07:10 PM

Who won the rod?

Ed

Matt · 12-09-2009, 07:16 PM

Steve "Greenie" Greene a.k.a Landwhale won the rod!!!!

Big thanks to Tommy Gomes for taking care of making sure Steve get's it!!

And to the DORKS who tried putting in like 20 tickets instead of one

NICE TRY!!!!

Big thanks have to go to Billy V sick as a dog and still campaigning for your rights to FISH!!

And thanks to Erika for helping out with the collection of tix for the raffle!!

Grego · 12-09-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Thanks to all that attended.....Grego even had a life size cut out of his one and only halibut that he has ever caught and for a minimal fee he would let you take a picture next to him and his fish!!!

You're welcome everyone...Kurt, don't worry someone took for you, so you'll get it soon. And sorry Matt, it was only one photo per person, I didn't have space on my camera card for you to take multiple poses, especially after you tried to cut in line!!!!

Thanks to everyone from down here who made the drive up....I think we'll all be in a similar position for the next meeting!!! Sacramento anyone?

dgax65 · 12-09-2009, 07:19 PM

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I was shocked none the less, but looking around, it did seem true. If everyone could commit to one of these meeting I think it would really make a huge difference. If there had been 1000 kayakers there today instead of 100 it would have been a major impact. Hell, if there had been over 1000 sport fishermen it could have been a pretty powerful room.

I am def going to the next ones... its something you shouldn't miss, even just go sit there, you'll learn something. thanks for everyone who got a chance to speak...

Unfortunately, it is a little bit too late for that revelation. We could have used the 1000 kayak anglers early in the process when it might have made a difference. Coming to the LAST meeting and saying, "Gee, more fishermen should come to these things" doesn't do us much good now. We needed that at every step throughout this process.
Glad you could make it to the meeting. At least you can tell your kids how a mix of corrupt politics and indifference resulted in permanent closures of our most productive fishing grounds.

dos ballenas · 12-10-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dgax65

Unfortunately, it is a little bit too late for that revelation. We could have used the 1000 kayak anglers early in the process when it might have made a difference. Coming to the LAST meeting and saying, "Gee, more fishermen should come to these things" doesn't do us much good now. We needed that at every step throughout this process.
Glad you could make it to the meeting. At least you can tell your kids how a mix of corrupt politics and indifference resulted in permanent closures of our most productive fishing grounds.

you are right. More people early on would have made a big difference. But they probably still would have made their decisions behind closed doors. I think we have a much better off position with the DFG and that the DFG is sick of the way the BFTF has been abusing its power.

I was there yesterday. All I know is that the atmosphere would have been pretty heavy in that big room had it been wall to wall fishermen. More people now will make a difference. Its far from over. Saying that showing now up won't make a difference is pretty weak and undermines our side of the process, thanks. Oh ya, and this was not the last meeting...

I hope I can make it to the next one... sounds like its gonna be a longer drive, but its worth losing a day off now, so I can take more later.

FISHIONADO · 12-10-2009, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dos ballenas

you are right. More people early on would have made a big difference. But they probably still would have made their decisions behind closed doors. I think we have a much better off position with the DFG and that the DFG is sick of the way the BFTF has been abusing its power.

I was there yesterday. All I know is that the atmosphere would have been pretty heavy in that big room had it been wall to wall fishermen. More people now will make a difference. Its far from over. Saying that showing now up won't make a difference is pretty weak and undermines our side of the process, thanks. Oh ya, and this was not the last meeting...

I hope I can make it to the next one... sounds like its gonna be a longer drive, but its worth losing a day off now, so I can take more later.

Doug's a good guy and deserves to be frustrated at the entire process, I saw that guy at nearly every meeting I attended and I know he drove up for some I couldn't attend. But you are right, let's continue to represent with the biggest number of folks possible. We can be proud of what we have done so far and there are still opportunities for success.

dgax65 · 12-10-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dos ballenas

you are right. More people early on would have made a big difference. But they probably still would have made their decisions behind closed doors. I think we have a much better off position with the DFG and that the DFG is sick of the way the BFTF has been abusing its power.

I was there yesterday. All I know is that the atmosphere would have been pretty heavy in that big room had it been wall to wall fishermen. More people now will make a difference. Its far from over. Saying that showing now up won't make a difference is pretty weak and undermines our side of the process, thanks. Oh ya, and this was not the last meeting...

I hope I can make it to the next one... sounds like its gonna be a longer drive, but its worth losing a day off now, so I can take more later.

You are right; this wasn't the last meeting. The last meeting was back on November 10th. The MLPA meetings were the venue for input on this process. This is just trying to get the Fish and Game Commission to do what it hasn't done in the two previous rounds; reverse the BRTF recommendations. I don't mean to undermine our side. I am just pointing out the fact that greater participation during the actual process might have been more effective than trying to get the F&G Commission to reverse the BRTF's decision. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just looking at their past performance and trying to predict what is going to happen. Either way, it isn't going to stop me from attending the meetings. I never expected an outcome other than what we are stuck with right now. That didn't stop me from attending the meetings and speaking my mind. I don't mind tilting at windmills and I will fight for something I believe in, even if the odds appear insurmountable. To do otherwise would be, as you say, WEAK

Matt · 12-10-2009, 08:17 AM

Well in fact the brtf meetings were one hundred percent a rigged affair with Meg and her bought and paid for cronies shutting us down left and right. However no matter what there was always gonna be another MPA established in La Jolla, this was inevitable regardless no matter what we did. However the important thing to remember is that a group of proposals that have in fact been sent to the dfg commission can in fact be amended by the commission to say allow for not just coastal pelagic (bait) take north of the pier but also amend the current map 2 to allow for pelagic (yt, wsb, halibut, T's) take as well. Another amendment that they could make is for not extending the current preserve beyond what it is currently.

I am not saying any of this to bash anyones ideas or opinions, only to clearly stress to you all that it is of the utter most importance that we continue to keep up our pressure and presence at all of these dfg meetings. The Commisioner is now heavily questioning the BRTF and the maps and the science and methods that they used in the making of
the maps, and this is a very good thing for anyone that fishes! So please don't start to rest and slack off, now is when we need to push even harder. There is a very good chance that in the end we may walk out with much more fishing areas open then we ever could have ever agined possible!

So let's keep up the strong and united front!

dos ballenas · 12-10-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dgax65

You are right; this wasn't the last meeting. The last meeting was back on November 10th. The MLPA meetings were the venue for input on this process. This is just trying to get the Fish and Game Commission to do what it hasn't done in the two previous rounds; reverse the BRTF recommendations. I don't mean to undermine our side. I am just pointing out the fact that greater participation during the actual process might have been more effective than trying to get the F&G Commission to reverse the BRTF's decision. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just looking at their past performance and trying to predict what is going to happen. Either way, it isn't going to stop me from attending the meetings. I never expected an outcome other than what we are stuck with right now. That didn't stop me from attending the meetings and speaking my mind. I don't mind tilting at windmills and I will fight for something I believe in, even if the odds appear insurmountable. To do otherwise would be, as you say, WEAK

I didn't mean to rattle ya buddy, my bad. But just because the DFG accepted the maps the BRTF put forward last coupla times doesn't mean it will be the same this time... especially given the recent allocations put forth to the BRFT.

That said, I feel these final meetings may be the most important meetings of all. Everything before now was simply smoke being blown up your bass. The DFG has the final say. Send those emails. Tell your friends to send emails. Tell them to tell their friends to send emails. The enviros sure as hell are sending them.

The fight is far from over. Dissention among the ranks and old news is bad for buisness. Its gonna be at least 1 year before we get any decision imo. Concentrate on the next meeting.

Tman · 12-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Good seeing those who showed up. we definitely had some good speaking going on...young Otto was there again, speaking of the importance of Father/Son bonding (fishing).

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Originally Posted by Holy Mackerel

Good seeing my kayak friends today! Even Clay the Fish catcher questioned the BRTF closed door meetings!

That was the first time they actually addressed him as Fishcatcher and asked him if he liked to fish. Good seeing that for a change, although it seemed every laguna lady looked at him as they walked by, then evil eyed me...

And Billy V, keep on those meds...you actually seemed calm up there for a change...

The 'process' made the front page of todays' Union Trib, seems the Head DFG'er is not too happy...who can blame him, puts more of a burden on them.

tylerdurden · 12-09-2009, 07:56 PM

Thanks to everyone that attended today. It isn't over yet. I hear we have a couple more chances to comment and work on the DFG commission.

Matt · 12-09-2009, 08:01 PM

As far as people showing up......it's imperative that everyone who can show up does show up, if only to allocate speaking time (we had a tougher time than you might think getting Billy enough time)

So please show up each and every meeting that you can, the show of numbers definitely still plays an important part!

bellcon · 12-09-2009, 08:02 PM

Decent turnout,
We will always will be lacking the numbers we should have I guess...

But you gotta be some what proud of what us Kayak Anglers (and spearos!) have done
even if we need better surf skills and their are so few of us,
(anyone ever figure out who that dick was?)

T man good talking with you
and Clay The Fish Catcher

you too Otto

Oh and Matt
your on my list now

Tman · 12-09-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bellcon

...even if we need better surf skills and their are so few of us,
(anyone ever figure out who that dick was?)

yup...http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ead.php?t=6400

so cal shaggy · 12-09-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bellcon

(anyone ever figure out who that dick was?)

His name is Scott Dunn and anti fishing kayak guide(?) from the Malibu area. He is very arrogant and thinks (like many of the anti fishing people) that their POV is the only view and that we should adopt their ideas and mindset.

Billy V · 12-09-2009, 11:27 PM

We have to follow through with DFG to the end. They are just getting to know us, and we made some strong point before them today.

This game is far from over, and we can turn the tide if we are diligent.
SouthWest Airlines has Cheap Air Fares in Cali, and I intend on flying them when possible.

As you may have seen today ceded time requires that you accumulate 15 speaker cards in addition to your own for a 3 minute presentation, so attendance is going to play a crucial role at future meetings.

Thank You to everyone who participated today, and thanks to the people who gave me your valuable speaking time so I could send our unified message from the kayak fishing and spear fishing communities at today's meeting.

12-09-2009, 06:50 PM	#3
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	today was only the second time I could make it to one of these thingys and it was actually pretty cool, but the thing that stuck out to me was when I was talking to a blue ribbon supporter and they said, " ...there are hardly any kayak fishermen out there anyways so who cares."" I was shocked none the less, but looking around, it did seem true. If everyone could commit to one of these meeting I think it would really make a huge difference. If there had been 1000 kayakers there today instead of 100 it would have been a major impact. Hell, if there had been over 1000 sport fishermen it could have been a pretty powerful room. I am def going to the next ones... its something you shouldn't miss, even just go sit there, you'll learn something. thanks for everyone who got a chance to speak... __________________ ____________________________________________

12-09-2009, 07:08 PM	#4
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Just got back....and couldn't stick it out any longer, but it does seem if the dfg are questioning ALOT of what my pal Meg has done.....so I am pessimistically optimistic....we definitely outnumbered the Jihadist enviros today and there is some more positives coming soon for LJ(possibly)....stay tuned they have not won this fight yet!!!!!! Thanks to all that attended.....Grego even had a life size cut out of his one and only halibut that he has ever caught and for a minimal fee he would let you take a picture next to him and his fish!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

12-09-2009, 07:10 PM	#5
emrliquidlife Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 59	Who won the rod? Ed __________________ - MLPA Soldier awaiting further instructions -

12-09-2009, 07:16 PM	#6
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Steve "Greenie" Greene a.k.a Landwhale won the rod!!!! Big thanks to Tommy Gomes for taking care of making sure Steve get's it!! And to the DORKS who tried putting in like 20 tickets instead of one NICE TRY!!!! Big thanks have to go to Billy V sick as a dog and still campaigning for your rights to FISH!! And thanks to Erika for helping out with the collection of tix for the raffle!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

12-10-2009, 08:17 AM	#12
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Well in fact the brtf meetings were one hundred percent a rigged affair with Meg and her bought and paid for cronies shutting us down left and right. However no matter what there was always gonna be another MPA established in La Jolla, this was inevitable regardless no matter what we did. However the important thing to remember is that a group of proposals that have in fact been sent to the dfg commission can in fact be amended by the commission to say allow for not just coastal pelagic (bait) take north of the pier but also amend the current map 2 to allow for pelagic (yt, wsb, halibut, T's) take as well. Another amendment that they could make is for not extending the current preserve beyond what it is currently. I am not saying any of this to bash anyones ideas or opinions, only to clearly stress to you all that it is of the utter most importance that we continue to keep up our pressure and presence at all of these dfg meetings. The Commisioner is now heavily questioning the BRTF and the maps and the science and methods that they used in the making of the maps, and this is a very good thing for anyone that fishes! So please don't start to rest and slack off, now is when we need to push even harder. There is a very good chance that in the end we may walk out with much more fishing areas open then we ever could have ever agined possible! So let's keep up the strong and united front! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

12-09-2009, 07:56 PM	#15
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Thanks to everyone that attended today. It isn't over yet. I hear we have a couple more chances to comment and work on the DFG commission. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

12-09-2009, 08:01 PM	#16
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	As far as people showing up......it's imperative that everyone who can show up does show up, if only to allocate speaking time (we had a tougher time than you might think getting Billy enough time) So please show up each and every meeting that you can, the show of numbers definitely still plays an important part! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

12-09-2009, 08:02 PM	#17
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	Decent turnout, We will always will be lacking the numbers we should have I guess... But you gotta be some what proud of what us Kayak Anglers (and spearos!) have done even if we need better surf skills and their are so few of us, (anyone ever figure out who that dick was?) T man good talking with you and Clay The Fish Catcher you too Otto Oh and Matt your on my list now

12-09-2009, 11:27 PM	#20
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	We have to follow through with DFG to the end. They are just getting to know us, and we made some strong point before them today. This game is far from over, and we can turn the tide if we are diligent. SouthWest Airlines has Cheap Air Fares in Cali, and I intend on flying them when possible. As you may have seen today ceded time requires that you accumulate 15 speaker cards in addition to your own for a 3 minute presentation, so attendance is going to play a crucial role at future meetings. Thank You to everyone who participated today, and thanks to the people who gave me your valuable speaking time so I could send our unified message from the kayak fishing and spear fishing communities at today's meeting.