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tylerdurden · 11-14-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tman

That "95%" number is a riot...make it more credible, say "94%"...

I call BS, let's see the data to support that.

As I said at one of the meetings, about 12 years ago, had a buddy catch a 42.5# WSB...he put it on the radio, and people were at the landing to see it. A very rare catch indeed, back then.

BACK THEN

With the success of the hatchery program, that WE help pay for, they have made a remarkable recovery...we all know that.

Actually, I don't think the hatchery program has much if anything todo with the wsb return. Based on the numbers they get so few heads back each year that they are having a minimal impact if any. I know not everyone turns in the heads, but still they get so few back, and it is costing them thousands of dollars per head returned if I did the math right. Someone else might have the cost per seabass returned number. Releasing all the hatchlings into the ocean can't be a bad thing, but I just don't think it is helping as much as we think, or hope it is.

I do agree that wsb are on the return, because of the gillnet ban within three miles. They changed the rules and regs and management of the species, and it worked. I wish they could use this example, instead of the crap they are trying to pull instead.

Billy V · 11-14-2009, 05:27 PM

I can only respect a process that was based on "sound scientific data".
Its was obvious the MLPA was Not, and it is obvious the process was bought, and so were the people running it.

-For a Reserve to work, you must first gain the respect of the people.
-They failed miserably in this area.

T Bone · 11-15-2009, 04:29 AM

Next will be the major licence fee increase.I dont see any way around that.I really liked the old salt water only licence for half the price.Now,we all pay for trout plants whether we want to or not.

Matt · 11-15-2009, 04:44 AM

I have never minded the increasing of a licensing charge, as I always felt if it helped out enforcement for the DFG officers and protected us all from people poaching it was OK by me, gotta admit I will probably cringe a bit about it nowadays

herbo · 11-15-2009, 12:06 PM

What T-Man said!!! This BS is enough to make me PUKE!.....

H

Flatinfifth · 11-16-2009, 10:13 AM

Well it's happened. Exactly what I was afraid of, has come to pass. The end result of a state governmental structure that has without hesitation moved towards a dictatorship of the mindless masses. We, those that cherish freedom were asleep at the switch years ago. They snuck up on us and before we knew it, they were dictating what we should do because "they know better". Never mind that their scientific "data" is non-existent and that which is presented is the product of junk science (see the similarity with Mr. Gore's movement?). It's big government and state-guided "goodness" at its finest; ramrodding their political ideology and beliefs down the throats of non-vocal yet kind and good citizens. The beginning of a statist cult is in the making. The People's Republic of California......

I'm afraid that the state is lost. The demographics combined with a complete and thorough dumbing down of the masses has led to a constituency that is easily led.........just promise them games in the arena and free bread (can you say welfare, food stamps, etc.??) Those in charge today of the state's political aren are the most clearly defined example of a corrupt "people's republic" that I have seen to date in this country.

What do we do now?? Pitch forks at the gates?? Rebellion at the polls?? Problem is that sportsmen and those that thrive and understand the outdoors are the minority. Just watch any shore fishing party take fish nowdays on both ocean and lake shores. Watch them..........they take EVERYTHING. Yet these people are under the radar but they represent the vast majority of those illegally harvesting massive numbers of fish. They are out in private boats as well. Those that fish often know exactly what I speak of. So sports fishermen who take but a few fish per trip (Most fishermen I know practice catch and release with perhaps the harvesting of one fish for that day's dinner), will now have to fish ............. where?????

I'll let the chips fall where they may for now. It is not a pretty outcome and sadly, the future looks even uglier. Perhaps it's time to move and this time defend another state. America was built on values and principles of virtue that are being trampled on daily by the current federal and state administrations. God help us.

Something must and will be done.

Billy V · 11-16-2009, 12:26 PM

This is where they will create and fabricate their next round of science.
They will use this method to eventually close all of the ocean to fishing.

http://www.calost.org/monitoring_ent.html

All I can suggest at this time is that you had better consider Any Future Political Candidates Very Carefully Before You Cast a Vote.

Gino · 11-16-2009, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy V

This is where they will create and fabricate their next round of science.
They will use this method to eventually close all of the ocean to fishing.

http://www.calost.org/monitoring_ent.html

All I can suggest at this time is that you had better consider Any Future Political Candidates Very Carefully Before You Cast a Vote.

And not vote for the ones who supported this.

bentrod1 · 11-16-2009, 09:17 PM

The problem is that the people who need to be a part of something like the MPA have virtually nobody standing up against them. A few people dressed in shorts and T-shirts can't be loud enough to stop them (but I do applaud them being there)

. A group or (dare I say) a lobby needs to be formed to unite the recreational and commercial fishermen - not just here in Ca. but nationwide who will go to battle for whichever coastline or lake is threatened for closure to fishing - especially if they can't produce data to support their cause.

I find it hard to believe there isn't one out there already.? I'm really new to this sport and there's a lot I still don't know but if there is a group out there like this I'll be happy to join and make my monthly donations so all of our kids can enjoy the water.

11-15-2009, 04:29 AM	#3
T Bone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Redlands CA Posts: 871	Next will be the major licence fee increase.I dont see any way around that.I really liked the old salt water only licence for half the price.Now,we all pay for trout plants whether we want to or not. __________________ Barachit Baralah,Elohim-In the beginning,God-Genesis 1:1 "Who among you,if your son asked for a fish would give them a serpent " Jesus Matt. 7:10

11-15-2009, 04:44 AM	#4
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	I have never minded the increasing of a licensing charge, as I always felt if it helped out enforcement for the DFG officers and protected us all from people poaching it was OK by me, gotta admit I will probably cringe a bit about it nowadays __________________ Thanks Matt F.

11-15-2009, 12:06 PM	#5
herbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canyon Country, Ca. Posts: 116	What T-Man said!!! This BS is enough to make me PUKE!.....H __________________ mellow yellow malibu eXtreme

11-16-2009, 10:13 AM	#6
Flatinfifth Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North S.F. Valley Posts: 51	Decision Well it's happened. Exactly what I was afraid of, has come to pass. The end result of a state governmental structure that has without hesitation moved towards a dictatorship of the mindless masses. We, those that cherish freedom were asleep at the switch years ago. They snuck up on us and before we knew it, they were dictating what we should do because "they know better". Never mind that their scientific "data" is non-existent and that which is presented is the product of junk science (see the similarity with Mr. Gore's movement?). It's big government and state-guided "goodness" at its finest; ramrodding their political ideology and beliefs down the throats of non-vocal yet kind and good citizens. The beginning of a statist cult is in the making. The People's Republic of California...... I'm afraid that the state is lost. The demographics combined with a complete and thorough dumbing down of the masses has led to a constituency that is easily led.........just promise them games in the arena and free bread (can you say welfare, food stamps, etc.??) Those in charge today of the state's political aren are the most clearly defined example of a corrupt "people's republic" that I have seen to date in this country. What do we do now?? Pitch forks at the gates?? Rebellion at the polls?? Problem is that sportsmen and those that thrive and understand the outdoors are the minority. Just watch any shore fishing party take fish nowdays on both ocean and lake shores. Watch them..........they take EVERYTHING. Yet these people are under the radar but they represent the vast majority of those illegally harvesting massive numbers of fish. They are out in private boats as well. Those that fish often know exactly what I speak of. So sports fishermen who take but a few fish per trip (Most fishermen I know practice catch and release with perhaps the harvesting of one fish for that day's dinner), will now have to fish ............. where????? I'll let the chips fall where they may for now. It is not a pretty outcome and sadly, the future looks even uglier. Perhaps it's time to move and this time defend another state. America was built on values and principles of virtue that are being trampled on daily by the current federal and state administrations. God help us. Something must and will be done.

11-14-2009, 05:27 PM	#2
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I can only respect a process that was based on "sound scientific data". Its was obvious the MLPA was Not, and it is obvious the process was bought, and so were the people running it. -For a Reserve to work, you must first gain the respect of the people. -They failed miserably in this area.

11-16-2009, 12:26 PM	#7
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	This is where they will create and fabricate their next round of science. They will use this method to eventually close all of the ocean to fishing. http://www.calost.org/monitoring_ent.html All I can suggest at this time is that you had better consider Any Future Political Candidates Very Carefully Before You Cast a Vote.

11-16-2009, 09:17 PM	#9
bentrod1 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Upland Posts: 60	The problem is that the people who need to be a part of something like the MPA have virtually nobody standing up against them. A few people dressed in shorts and T-shirts can't be loud enough to stop them (but I do applaud them being there) . A group or (dare I say) a lobby needs to be formed to unite the recreational and commercial fishermen - not just here in Ca. but nationwide who will go to battle for whichever coastline or lake is threatened for closure to fishing - especially if they can't produce data to support their cause. I find it hard to believe there isn't one out there already.? I'm really new to this sport and there's a lot I still don't know but if there is a group out there like this I'll be happy to join and make my monthly donations so all of our kids can enjoy the water.