MLPA - Time to get to work! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PAL · 10-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Ok friends, you know what's at stake. We have through Nov 10 to make our case for La Jolla.

There's a small strike team working in the background, but like it has been since day 1, this requires a community effort. I'm calling on EVERYONE on this board to write a letter in support of the proposal 2 maps for San Diego. These can and should go to your local political leaders, fishing and yacht clubs and the like, then funneled to the Blue Ribbon Task Force. YOU CAN DO THIS BY SENDING A COPY TO ME

Keep this in mind. It won't do us much good to hang onto the northwest corner if the whole world is in there with us. Right now we're still dealing with the danger of bookends, only this time they aren't on either side of Mission Bay, they flank LJ.

We need to hold the existing Scripps Reserve in its current boundaries and push back on an expanded bait-only SMCA around the pier. Just think about how treacherous north La Jolla will be once free divers, kayak anglers, private boaters, the commercial guys and sportboats are all crammed into that postage stamp. At the very least we need that outlet to the north. That's our nightmare worst case scenario. Get on it!

PM me for talking points and to discuss possible letter targets.

Give me a roll call! I'm not kidding around.

ROLL CALL FOR LETTER WRITING / LOBBYING
1. PAL
2. Billy V
3. Tyler
4. Chris Fierro
5. Afishinado
6. YOUR NAME HERE

tylerdurden · 10-28-2009, 04:26 PM

bump...

We thought this part of the process would be over by now

. Let's keep on it.

bellcon · 10-28-2009, 04:43 PM

I am writing one fo sho

Maybe one of you (billy, tyler, etc.)
could pm me a sample letter
and I will change it for a personal touch
BWE needs a private mlpa thread...
or is there one?

emrliquidlife · 10-28-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellcon

I am writing one fo sho

Maybe one of you (billy, tyler, etc.)
could pm me a sample letter
and I will change it for a personal touch
BWE needs a private mlpa thread...
or is there one?

You guys know your Northern Brethern will do what they can. Please PM me any talking points, and I'll write my letter.

Ed

PAL · 10-28-2009, 05:23 PM

La Jolla Talking Points - We've mentioned these in public testimony, so there's nothing secret about it. For general support, DON'T FENCE ME IN!

General letter targets will be announced shortly.

1. Support Prop 2 for San Diego, where it meets all science guidelines and lessens economic impact. Captures the rare deep water rock and pinnacles at Del Mar. Other proposals fall short of SAT guidelines because they do not.

2. If the task force closes south La Jolla, enlarges the existing reserve and grows the SMCA proposed for the pier all the way up to Torrey Pines (BOOKENDS), there will be many negative impacts:

- Compaction will cause a threat to public safety. We'll have to share a tiny area with sportboats, private boats, commercial boats, free divers and kayakers. People will get hurt, most likely a free diver or kayaker.

- Small changes make big differences for kayak anglers. The paddle out from the Shores would go from 1/2 a mile to roughly 2/3 and take out roughly 20% of the east-west extent of the north kelp line. Novices would be pushed out from the shelter of Pt La Jolla out to more open water.

- The existing Scripps MPA boundaries are well known. The new bouys are well maintained and not prone to drifting. Boundary signs with maps are numerous.

- The bait-only SMCA proposed for the pier and north is not needed to meet science guidelines. The habitats that would be protected are represented elsewhere in the study region. It would have a big impact on the local surf-casting community, who would have virtually no fishable sandy beaches the length of La Jolla.

- South La Jolla is critically important to local commercial lobster and urchin and to the sportboat landings in Mission Bay. Remember, in years the current runs predominately uphill, south La Jolla grows in importance to us too. Besides, north Pt Loma is more suitable as it offers the most persistent kelp forest in Southern California. When there's no kelp in LJ, its still hanging on at north Pt Loma. The economic and access hits are much lighter.

These should get you going.

C. Cary · 10-28-2009, 07:01 PM

put me on the roll call.

Chris

steveooo · 10-28-2009, 07:31 PM

Paul,
Thanks for all your hard work in this. Myself included, there are lots of guys on this board that aren't necessarily from SD. I'm assuming that its ok for us to send the letter to the SD politicians, or is it more effective for us to write the letter to the politicians closer to our home turf? (OC for me) I saw this on a few other boards, for different areas. I know lots of guys check several of the boards. Again, if we can write a letter about each specific area, and send them to the repective politicians, should we do that as well? Also, in regard to the letter we send to you for the BRTF, do you want a hard copy? If yes, where can we send it? If not, what e-mail can we send it to?

Sorry for all the questions. Again, thanks for all your work

PAL · 10-28-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Myself included, there are lots of guys on this board that aren't necessarily from SD. I'm assuming that its ok for us to send the letter to the SD politicians, or is it more effective for us to write the letter to the politicians closer to our home turf? (OC for me) I saw this on a few other boards, for different areas. I know lots of guys check several of the boards. Again, if we can write a letter about each specific area, and send them to the repective politicians, should we do that as well? Also, in regard to the letter we send to you for the BRTF, do you want a hard copy? If yes, where can we send it? If not, what e-mail can we send it to?

Please start with a letter addressed to the MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force. Select an area near your home in the cross-hairs and comment. Those would be La Jolla, Pt Dume at Malibu, and Long Pt at Catalina. Send it to me via PM or PM me and I'll give you my email address.

Next, think about writing a beach city that will lose $$$ if a closure comes to call. Here's a list of the cities that have already taken a position. You don't need to target them unless you want to hold their feet to the fire.

Quote:

Cities and Public Officials Supporting G2*

City of Dana Point
City of Oceanside
Los Angeles Supervisor Don Knabe
City of Hermosa Beach
City of Torrance
City of Santa Barbara
City of Ventura
City of Oxnard
City of Huntington Beach
City of Manhattan Beach
City of San Clemente

Cities and Public Officials Opposing MLPA Generally*
City of Redondo Beach (City Council voted unanimously to take a position against the MLPA)

Cities and Public Officials Opposing Current Implementation of MLPA*
City of Newport Beach
City of Oceanside
Assemblymember Wesley Chesbro
City of Fort Bragg
Fish and Game Commissioner Jim Kellogg
Fish and Game Commissioner Dan Richards

ROLL CALL FOR LETTER WRITING / LOBBYING
1. PAL
2. Billy V
3. Tyler
4. Chris Fierro
5. Afishinado
6. Bellcon
7. emrliquidlife
8. C Cary
9. Steveooo
10. YOUR NAME HERE

yakrider · 10-29-2009, 11:27 AM

you know I'm in!

Tman · 10-29-2009, 11:38 AM

Ya know Clay and I are already working our our pleas...

We'll get him to include some of his chums to write as well.

PAL · 10-29-2009, 12:18 PM

Ok people, send your Blue Ribbon Task Force letters to MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov, Subject line "South Coast comment for BRTF."

Put the hammer down. A pro-closure RSG member just bragged on the MLPA listserv how 1000s and 1000s of letter support proposal 3. Send your letters, then get your friends and co-workers into the game.

DESTROYER · 10-29-2009, 01:31 PM

Letter Sent! Put me on the list!

Holy Mackerel · 10-29-2009, 01:53 PM

Done!

This is easy guys, you can do it at work! Get your friends and Co-workers involved!

roosta · 10-29-2009, 01:57 PM

Done! You can add me to the list!

zenspearo · 10-29-2009, 02:06 PM

Spearos are cranking up.

http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=94958

If a spearo/kayaker can send 6 pro-group 2 emails (one for each region), and get your girlfriend/wife/kids to do the same, we can be a very powerful voice.

1 kayaker X 6 = 6 emails

1 kayaker + wife +2 kids (all kayakfishing of course) X 6 emails = 24 emails.

get us 100 such families:

100 X 24 emails = 2400 emails!!!

100 dedicated kayakers/spearos getting their families/friends involved will tip the balance. The rest is icing on the cake.

let's lower the hammer ladies and gents. Bring 'er home.

Let's do it guys.

Holy Mackerel · 10-29-2009, 02:12 PM

Guys,

SUBJECT LINE "South Coast comment for BRTF."

Along with MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov

Please CC: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

I have already sent my email, but my wife will CC this address

tylerdurden · 10-29-2009, 03:14 PM

Guys, please cc or bcc Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

I know it sounds big brotherish, but these comments are public comments to the BRTF. they will be made public anyways. This is so we can get an idea of how many people are commenting, and more important so we know who has commented. We need to hold each other accountable here.

Saying you sent in a letter is way different than actually doing it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Mackerel

Guys,

SUBJECT LINE "South Coast comment for BRTF."

Along with MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov

Please CC: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

I have already sent my email, but my wife will CC this address

Holy Mackerel · 10-29-2009, 03:53 PM

Everyone the conversation has gone here, we cleaned up our message, and tried to make it more concise.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ead.php?t=6213

Please CC: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

when you email!

Mods can lock this thread now.

10-28-2009, 04:15 PM	#1
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	MLPA - Time to get to work! ROLL CALL Ok friends, you know what's at stake. We have through Nov 10 to make our case for La Jolla. There's a small strike team working in the background, but like it has been since day 1, this requires a community effort. I'm calling on EVERYONE on this board to write a letter in support of the proposal 2 maps for San Diego. These can and should go to your local political leaders, fishing and yacht clubs and the like, then funneled to the Blue Ribbon Task Force. YOU CAN DO THIS BY SENDING A COPY TO ME Keep this in mind. It won't do us much good to hang onto the northwest corner if the whole world is in there with us. Right now we're still dealing with the danger of bookends, only this time they aren't on either side of Mission Bay, they flank LJ. We need to hold the existing Scripps Reserve in its current boundaries and push back on an expanded bait-only SMCA around the pier. Just think about how treacherous north La Jolla will be once free divers, kayak anglers, private boaters, the commercial guys and sportboats are all crammed into that postage stamp. At the very least we need that outlet to the north. That's our nightmare worst case scenario. Get on it! PM me for talking points and to discuss possible letter targets. Give me a roll call! I'm not kidding around. ROLL CALL FOR LETTER WRITING / LOBBYING 1. PAL 2. Billy V 3. Tyler 4. Chris Fierro 5. Afishinado 6. YOUR NAME HERE Last edited by PAL; 10-28-2009 at 06:16 PM.

10-28-2009, 04:26 PM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	bump... We thought this part of the process would be over by now . Let's keep on it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

10-28-2009, 07:01 PM	#6
C. Cary Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Carmel Valley Posts: 104	put me on the roll call. Chris __________________ Isn't this America? Let them fish

10-29-2009, 11:38 AM	#10
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Ya know Clay and I are already working our our pleas... We'll get him to include some of his chums to write as well. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-29-2009, 02:06 PM	#15
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Spearos are cranking up. http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=94958 If a spearo/kayaker can send 6 pro-group 2 emails (one for each region), and get your girlfriend/wife/kids to do the same, we can be a very powerful voice. 1 kayaker X 6 = 6 emails 1 kayaker + wife +2 kids (all kayakfishing of course) X 6 emails = 24 emails. get us 100 such families: 100 X 24 emails = 2400 emails!!! 100 dedicated kayakers/spearos getting their families/friends involved will tip the balance. The rest is icing on the cake. let's lower the hammer ladies and gents. Bring 'er home. Let's do it guys. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

10-28-2009, 04:43 PM	#3
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	I am writing one fo sho Maybe one of you (billy, tyler, etc.) could pm me a sample letter and I will change it for a personal touch BWE needs a private mlpa thread... or is there one?

10-28-2009, 05:23 PM	#5
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	La Jolla Talking Points - We've mentioned these in public testimony, so there's nothing secret about it. For general support, DON'T FENCE ME IN! General letter targets will be announced shortly. 1. Support Prop 2 for San Diego, where it meets all science guidelines and lessens economic impact. Captures the rare deep water rock and pinnacles at Del Mar. Other proposals fall short of SAT guidelines because they do not. 2. If the task force closes south La Jolla, enlarges the existing reserve and grows the SMCA proposed for the pier all the way up to Torrey Pines (BOOKENDS), there will be many negative impacts: - Compaction will cause a threat to public safety. We'll have to share a tiny area with sportboats, private boats, commercial boats, free divers and kayakers. People will get hurt, most likely a free diver or kayaker. - Small changes make big differences for kayak anglers. The paddle out from the Shores would go from 1/2 a mile to roughly 2/3 and take out roughly 20% of the east-west extent of the north kelp line. Novices would be pushed out from the shelter of Pt La Jolla out to more open water. - The existing Scripps MPA boundaries are well known. The new bouys are well maintained and not prone to drifting. Boundary signs with maps are numerous. - The bait-only SMCA proposed for the pier and north is not needed to meet science guidelines. The habitats that would be protected are represented elsewhere in the study region. It would have a big impact on the local surf-casting community, who would have virtually no fishable sandy beaches the length of La Jolla. - South La Jolla is critically important to local commercial lobster and urchin and to the sportboat landings in Mission Bay. Remember, in years the current runs predominately uphill, south La Jolla grows in importance to us too. Besides, north Pt Loma is more suitable as it offers the most persistent kelp forest in Southern California. When there's no kelp in LJ, its still hanging on at north Pt Loma. The economic and access hits are much lighter. These should get you going.

10-28-2009, 07:31 PM	#7
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	Paul, Thanks for all your hard work in this. Myself included, there are lots of guys on this board that aren't necessarily from SD. I'm assuming that its ok for us to send the letter to the SD politicians, or is it more effective for us to write the letter to the politicians closer to our home turf? (OC for me) I saw this on a few other boards, for different areas. I know lots of guys check several of the boards. Again, if we can write a letter about each specific area, and send them to the repective politicians, should we do that as well? Also, in regard to the letter we send to you for the BRTF, do you want a hard copy? If yes, where can we send it? If not, what e-mail can we send it to? Sorry for all the questions. Again, thanks for all your work

10-29-2009, 11:27 AM	#9
yakrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 611	you know I'm in!

10-29-2009, 12:18 PM	#11
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Ok people, send your Blue Ribbon Task Force letters to MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov, Subject line "South Coast comment for BRTF." Put the hammer down. A pro-closure RSG member just bragged on the MLPA listserv how 1000s and 1000s of letter support proposal 3. Send your letters, then get your friends and co-workers into the game.

10-29-2009, 01:31 PM	#12
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	Letter Sent! Put me on the list!

10-29-2009, 01:53 PM	#13
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Done! This is easy guys, you can do it at work! Get your friends and Co-workers involved!

10-29-2009, 01:57 PM	#14
roosta Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 68	Done! You can add me to the list!

10-29-2009, 02:12 PM	#16
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Guys, SUBJECT LINE "South Coast comment for BRTF." Along with MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov Please CC: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com I have already sent my email, but my wife will CC this address Last edited by Holy Mackerel; 10-29-2009 at 02:31 PM.

10-29-2009, 03:53 PM	#18
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Everyone the conversation has gone here, we cleaned up our message, and tried to make it more concise. http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ead.php?t=6213 Please CC: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com when you email! Mods can lock this thread now.