Surfrider MLPA meetings starting Tue 9/23 7PM S.C. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PAL · 10-15-2009, 07:53 PM

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I'm busy with life and haven't been able to digest all of the paper or the issue, but I'm probably not as far to the right as you are.

As far to the right? This has nothing to do with partisan politics. I'm busy with life too, and after devoting 100s of hours over the past year to preserving reasonable fishing opportunity for kayak anglers, which means doing what I can to make sure the MLPA doesn't single our environmentally benign group out for punishment. I have little tolerance left for mis-statements, deliberate or out of ignorance (not yours, SR's).

Let me put my anger over Surfrider's Malibu position into a context that everyone who fishes La Jolla will understand. Let's say they endorsed closing all of La Jolla except a few acres of stringy kelp on the southern tip. It would be ok, right, because you'd have 100s of acres of sand to fish down to the pier. Right? Would you feel that was a 'fair' compromise?

Not at all, it would be the end of San Diego ocean kayak fishing.

That's exactly the fate Surfrider wishes to impose on Malibu's kayak anglers, people who are every bit as passionate about their sport as we are here.

For those who haven't been paying attention, there are three proposals. Don't believe the propaganda - proposal 1 is not a compromise, cross-interest proposal. Don't believe me, compare it with proposal 3 authored by representatives of the environmental NGOs without the need to deal with any grubby fishermen. If you need the details, contact me via PM.

Proposal 2 protects roughly 0.5% less acreage overall, achieves tremendous conservation, and does so at dramatically decreased socio-economic cost. It's a point the Surfrider of today ignored, whatever their past achivements. Despite the good faith efforts of many here on this board, they chose to disregard their fellow watermen, possibly at the cost of their own future loss of access. They no longer deserve support.

YES ON TWO

GregAndrew · 10-15-2009, 08:50 PM

I gotta agree with Pal. At this late date in the process, any individual or group that has publicly taken a stance on one side and not the other is not in the middle. There are many do-good organizations out there that start with great intentions and become something entirely different. Any organization effected by the MLPA process should realize that almost none of the requirements for effective Marine Reserves design is even being considered. Any individual or group that believes that the touted benefits of Marine reserves will occur only considering the size required to capture 90% of the species better keep putting that tooth under their pillow. They are more likely to see the tooth fairy than those benefits. Don't get me wrong, the idea of Marine Reserves in areas of the ocean that are substantially depleted is a great idea. But our coast is not in danger of being depleted by fishermen, and ignoring things such as economic impact, enforcement, marking borders, etc will only reduce the effectiveness of them.

Billy V · 10-15-2009, 09:54 PM

Not a single component of the MLPA does anything to address the pollution in coastal waters that kills Kelp, and Fish.

This was posted on Bloody Decks, its a little over the top so I will bleep out the curse words. The point will remain the same.
I guess some people are fed up with all the injustice we have been subjected to.
I know I'm certainly fed up, and don't blame anyone who chooses to voice an opinion, or take a stand.
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Watched the Oct. 7th City Council video and here's something I don't get:

At 02:41:20, Currie Dugas came on to read a letter from Coastkeepers Executive Director, Bruce Reznik which stated he could not attend due to a prior commitment to attend the California Coastal Commission meeting to speak on behalf of the San Diego Water Department IN SUPPORT OF A SEWAGE WAIVER.

That would be this:

San Diego Gets Pollution Waiver for Point Loma Plant | KPBS.org
The California Coastal Commission voted Wednesday night to give the city of San Diego a waiver for the Point Loma Sewage Treatment Plant. The vote means the city won't be paying to upgrade the plant.

The Coastal Commission took two-and-one-half hours to consider San Diego's wavier request before approving it on an 8-to-4 vote.

The city is the only metro area in the country that doesn't add secondary treatment to sewage before it's discharged into the ocean.

So let me get this straight -- This as*hole is exec. director of some bullsh*t organization deceptively named "Coastkeeper" who goes out advocating outdated sub-standard sewage treatment is ok as long as it saves the SD Water Dept. money. Meanwhile sends one of his fu*khead zombie sheep minions to go in front of SD City Council to read a statement saying La Jolla must be closed to access by fishermen in order to "protect the fish".

So who is the fu*khead zombie sheep minion Currie Dugas?
Well, according to Coastkeeper's own website, some clueless c*nt who just arrived here in San Diego last week and is already become a mindless tw@t mouthpiece to tell us what's best for our own good:

San Diego Coastkeeper > About SD Coastkeeper > Staff > Interns
Currie joined the Coastkeeper team in the winter of 2009 as Marine Conservation intern. Her work at Coastkeeper mainly focuses on creating awareness of the Marine Life Protection Act Initiative which strives to protect California's ocean life by implementing a network of marine protected areas (MPAs) along the coast. Currie recently moved to San Diego and is very excited to have found a place as part of the Coastkeeper team where she can make a difference for our seas.

10-15-2009, 08:50 PM	#2
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I gotta agree with Pal. At this late date in the process, any individual or group that has publicly taken a stance on one side and not the other is not in the middle. There are many do-good organizations out there that start with great intentions and become something entirely different. Any organization effected by the MLPA process should realize that almost none of the requirements for effective Marine Reserves design is even being considered. Any individual or group that believes that the touted benefits of Marine reserves will occur only considering the size required to capture 90% of the species better keep putting that tooth under their pillow. They are more likely to see the tooth fairy than those benefits. Don't get me wrong, the idea of Marine Reserves in areas of the ocean that are substantially depleted is a great idea. But our coast is not in danger of being depleted by fishermen, and ignoring things such as economic impact, enforcement, marking borders, etc will only reduce the effectiveness of them.

10-15-2009, 09:54 PM	#3
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Not a single component of the MLPA does anything to address the pollution in coastal waters that kills Kelp, and Fish. This was posted on Bloody Decks, its a little over the top so I will bleep out the curse words. The point will remain the same. I guess some people are fed up with all the injustice we have been subjected to. I know I'm certainly fed up, and don't blame anyone who chooses to voice an opinion, or take a stand. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Watched the Oct. 7th City Council video and here's something I don't get: At 02:41:20, Currie Dugas came on to read a letter from Coastkeepers Executive Director, Bruce Reznik which stated he could not attend due to a prior commitment to attend the California Coastal Commission meeting to speak on behalf of the San Diego Water Department IN SUPPORT OF A SEWAGE WAIVER. That would be this: San Diego Gets Pollution Waiver for Point Loma Plant \| KPBS.org The California Coastal Commission voted Wednesday night to give the city of San Diego a waiver for the Point Loma Sewage Treatment Plant. The vote means the city won't be paying to upgrade the plant. The Coastal Commission took two-and-one-half hours to consider San Diego's wavier request before approving it on an 8-to-4 vote. The city is the only metro area in the country that doesn't add secondary treatment to sewage before it's discharged into the ocean. So let me get this straight -- This ashole is exec. director of some bullsht organization deceptively named "Coastkeeper" who goes out advocating outdated sub-standard sewage treatment is ok as long as it saves the SD Water Dept. money. Meanwhile sends one of his fukhead zombie sheep minions to go in front of SD City Council to read a statement saying La Jolla must be closed to access by fishermen in order to "protect the fish". So who is the fukhead zombie sheep minion Currie Dugas? Well, according to Coastkeeper's own website, some clueless c*nt who just arrived here in San Diego last week and is already become a mindless tw@t mouthpiece to tell us what's best for our own good: San Diego Coastkeeper > About SD Coastkeeper > Staff > Interns Currie joined the Coastkeeper team in the winter of 2009 as Marine Conservation intern. Her work at Coastkeeper mainly focuses on creating awareness of the Marine Life Protection Act Initiative which strives to protect California's ocean life by implementing a network of marine protected areas (MPAs) along the coast. Currie recently moved to San Diego and is very excited to have found a place as part of the Coastkeeper team where she can make a difference for our seas.