Grunion and MLPA - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

DESTROYER · 08-03-2009, 07:32 PM

Grunion+Hook=Halibut...Usually

Dan · 08-03-2009, 08:04 PM

Good to hear about Surfrider. I met a few times with Stef and Joe from both local and national offices to help them see just how special La Jolla is to kayak fishing. They great people and I look forward to working with them on future issues that are important to me and Surfrider.

I know that their cross interest support for smart MPAs AND fishing rights/access has caused mucho friction and chapping from some of their other envrio buddies that work closely with them on water quality, beach access and other very important issues.

tylerdurden · 08-03-2009, 08:32 PM

Surf rider back peddled from previous perceived stances at this meeting I thought. They had a much more balanced and reasonable approach when I talked to them in person in the lobby. I think we may never completely agree, but can possibly come to a legit compromise.

We have to be polite. At all costs. We can question the bs in the process, we can disagree very strongly, but we cannot call anyone names or be rude. This is on the podium, in the audience, or lobby. It only hurts our cause. Please play nice.

peguinpower · 08-03-2009, 09:09 PM

Great turnout! SD really made a good showing. Great powerpoint presentation Tyler! John made a very emotional speech. Getting thrown out was a bonus.

Keep up the good fight guys. Your strength inspires us.

/bing

joyjiggin' · 08-03-2009, 09:57 PM

I regret having to leave after 2 hrs. at the meeting. Looks like I missed a lot! I enjoyed what every person had to say about keeping kayak spots open. I, too, believe that fishing IS A RIGHT. It makes me ill to think that anyone would even think that kayakfishing destroys or diminishes the fish population or the beauty of our ocean. Fight on, kayakers!

-scallywag- · 08-03-2009, 10:08 PM

I'm still unclear as to why they threw John out?? because he named the actual person/people (public officials) who he was most disappointed with and why?? i didn't hear any profanity, what happened to the 1st amendment??

I loved Robs comments.

Grunion??? aren't those illegal to use for bait(or seasonal?)....

tylerdurden · 08-04-2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -scallywag-

I'm still unclear as to why they threw John out?? because he named the actual person/people (public officials) who he was most disappointed with and why?? )....

As soon as you mention someones name and call them directly or indirectly a pychopath you get in trouble. You can say you are dissapointed with their decisions, you can disagree with them and say why, but you can't call them names.

For those that are rightfuly angry about this whole thing, we all are. However please use that in a constructive way.

buttchaser · 08-04-2009, 07:08 AM

Tyler ,
The word I used was

sycophant (sĭk'ə-fənt,)
A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.

Matt · 08-04-2009, 07:31 AM

Rob
You voiced your opinion and the way many, many, many of us feel very strongly. We all understand your frustration with the process and what can or may be caused by it. You definitely didn't choose the most "politically correct" way of voicing it I think everyone who fishes certainly understands why you said what you said and in one way or another definitely appreciates what you said.

Tyler, truly an awesome presentation by all accounts from what I have heard!!!!

While I certainly have no desire to lay down and accept what fate may come I chose a more shall we say toned down version, I spent most of the afternoon speaking to some coastkeeper higher ups and the 3 surfrider reps, taking the time to explain why the avenida de la playa launch is so important to keep open and not include a larger reserve in that general area of La Jolla then there already is. While ultimately I would much prefer to have all of La Jolla open and I stressed this heavily in our discussion if we have to lose some of it I encouraged that they take the south end more than the northern end (south endbeing the windansea to crystal pier area) trust me I don't want to see any of it closed at all but if we have to lose something I explained that, that would be the ideal compromise. We would still have the NW corner and such in this plan, along with the half, the 90/80ft curve and the "bump", which tends to be the area that is most productive for all of us and within the relative "easier" paddling distances from shore. I stressed also quite heavily that extending the current reserve out to the additional 3 mile mark would effectively destroy kayak fishing for all but the 1%er's who are able to make that safely and deal with the onslaught of possible conditions that would put a great many kayakers in harm's way.

I stressed heavily the importance of the safety issues surrounding the avenida de la playa launch versus the "other" safe launches and explained that Marine St. and Tourmaline are not actually "safe" alternatives due to large swell and shorebreak at Marine st. and due to the high, high amount of people that surf at Tourmaline and have absolutely no clue what they are doing and stressed that landing a kayak at either would only lead to more than a few people getting hurt everyday that someone launches there. (Hold on HEMAN I didn't say it was impossible to launch at either location just that it was more preferrable to have a much safer launch at LJ). The head of the S.D. Coastkeepers seemed to be pretty cool with the idea of keeping a safe launch open as did the folks at surfrider due in a large part to the safety issue of launching and landing at the other locations.

I also sincerely suggested the Tijuana Sloughs area as a great place to establish an MPA as there is zero kayak launches in that area that I know of. If there are and you fish that area please, please tell us or me ASAP, but that area is somewhat similar to the area of LJ that they find oh so desireable! There is a deep water canyon, a huge history of sealife, a very messy area that definitely needs some cleanwater love and a whole lotta clean up and it is a fairly feasible area to restore. Both surfrider and coastkeeper seemed very interested in the area as an alternative to La Jolla, this process is hardly over and I do not find myself "trusting" of either group wholeheartedly, but it is an option we need to to explore in order to protect LJ! It is hardly the end of the battle but at least there is the possiblilty of being open to new ideas from the enviro's! It isn't a guarantee but it is a start of more openess than I have ever experienced from the "enviro" side. I have email addresses from everyone I chatted quite extensively with yesterday and plan to follow up with them and hopefully win their hearts and minds!

Thank you to everyone for showing up yesterday and working your asses off and doing whatever you can to save our most precious fishing grounds!!

And before anyone comes on here and calls me a sell out or something else keep in mind we are all working towards keeping La Jolla open and all of us are doing whatever we can to work within the somewhat skewed system that we are being forced to work within, I am not a fool who is trusting anyone but instead at least seeing what are the possibilities of coming to a mutual agreement that may indeed work for everyone! If you have any questions about my conversations or have any comments you would like to make to me feel free to PM me and let me know your thoughts....let's keep the mean or hateful remarks off the boards as it will only add possible fuel to those who are against us' fire, like I said PM ME!!!

Also any kayakers in the Santa Monica and Pt. Dume areas can you please email me your launch sites? We need to know exact launch locations so that you can protect your access to those launches as best we can!!!

08-03-2009, 08:32 PM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Surf rider back peddled from previous perceived stances at this meeting I thought. They had a much more balanced and reasonable approach when I talked to them in person in the lobby. I think we may never completely agree, but can possibly come to a legit compromise. We have to be polite. At all costs. We can question the bs in the process, we can disagree very strongly, but we cannot call anyone names or be rude. This is on the podium, in the audience, or lobby. It only hurts our cause. Please play nice. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

08-03-2009, 09:09 PM	#4
peguinpower bing! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: socal Posts: 246	Great turnout! SD really made a good showing. Great powerpoint presentation Tyler! John made a very emotional speech. Getting thrown out was a bonus. Keep up the good fight guys. Your strength inspires us. /bing Last edited by peguinpower; 08-04-2009 at 08:58 PM.

08-04-2009, 07:31 AM	#9
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	MLPA Rob You voiced your opinion and the way many, many, many of us feel very strongly. We all understand your frustration with the process and what can or may be caused by it. You definitely didn't choose the most "politically correct" way of voicing it I think everyone who fishes certainly understands why you said what you said and in one way or another definitely appreciates what you said. Tyler, truly an awesome presentation by all accounts from what I have heard!!!! While I certainly have no desire to lay down and accept what fate may come I chose a more shall we say toned down version, I spent most of the afternoon speaking to some coastkeeper higher ups and the 3 surfrider reps, taking the time to explain why the avenida de la playa launch is so important to keep open and not include a larger reserve in that general area of La Jolla then there already is. While ultimately I would much prefer to have all of La Jolla open and I stressed this heavily in our discussion if we have to lose some of it I encouraged that they take the south end more than the northern end (south endbeing the windansea to crystal pier area) trust me I don't want to see any of it closed at all but if we have to lose something I explained that, that would be the ideal compromise. We would still have the NW corner and such in this plan, along with the half, the 90/80ft curve and the "bump", which tends to be the area that is most productive for all of us and within the relative "easier" paddling distances from shore. I stressed also quite heavily that extending the current reserve out to the additional 3 mile mark would effectively destroy kayak fishing for all but the 1%er's who are able to make that safely and deal with the onslaught of possible conditions that would put a great many kayakers in harm's way. I stressed heavily the importance of the safety issues surrounding the avenida de la playa launch versus the "other" safe launches and explained that Marine St. and Tourmaline are not actually "safe" alternatives due to large swell and shorebreak at Marine st. and due to the high, high amount of people that surf at Tourmaline and have absolutely no clue what they are doing and stressed that landing a kayak at either would only lead to more than a few people getting hurt everyday that someone launches there. (Hold on HEMAN I didn't say it was impossible to launch at either location just that it was more preferrable to have a much safer launch at LJ). The head of the S.D. Coastkeepers seemed to be pretty cool with the idea of keeping a safe launch open as did the folks at surfrider due in a large part to the safety issue of launching and landing at the other locations. I also sincerely suggested the Tijuana Sloughs area as a great place to establish an MPA as there is zero kayak launches in that area that I know of. If there are and you fish that area please, please tell us or me ASAP, but that area is somewhat similar to the area of LJ that they find oh so desireable! There is a deep water canyon, a huge history of sealife, a very messy area that definitely needs some cleanwater love and a whole lotta clean up and it is a fairly feasible area to restore. Both surfrider and coastkeeper seemed very interested in the area as an alternative to La Jolla, this process is hardly over and I do not find myself "trusting" of either group wholeheartedly, but it is an option we need to to explore in order to protect LJ! It is hardly the end of the battle but at least there is the possiblilty of being open to new ideas from the enviro's! It isn't a guarantee but it is a start of more openess than I have ever experienced from the "enviro" side. I have email addresses from everyone I chatted quite extensively with yesterday and plan to follow up with them and hopefully win their hearts and minds! Thank you to everyone for showing up yesterday and working your asses off and doing whatever you can to save our most precious fishing grounds!! And before anyone comes on here and calls me a sell out or something else keep in mind we are all working towards keeping La Jolla open and all of us are doing whatever we can to work within the somewhat skewed system that we are being forced to work within, I am not a fool who is trusting anyone but instead at least seeing what are the possibilities of coming to a mutual agreement that may indeed work for everyone! If you have any questions about my conversations or have any comments you would like to make to me feel free to PM me and let me know your thoughts....let's keep the mean or hateful remarks off the boards as it will only add possible fuel to those who are against us' fire, like I said PM ME!!! Also any kayakers in the Santa Monica and Pt. Dume areas can you please email me your launch sites? We need to know exact launch locations so that you can protect your access to those launches as best we can!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

08-03-2009, 07:32 PM	#1
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	Grunion+Hook=Halibut...Usually

08-03-2009, 08:04 PM	#2
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	Good to hear about Surfrider. I met a few times with Stef and Joe from both local and national offices to help them see just how special La Jolla is to kayak fishing. They great people and I look forward to working with them on future issues that are important to me and Surfrider. I know that their cross interest support for smart MPAs AND fishing rights/access has caused mucho friction and chapping from some of their other envrio buddies that work closely with them on water quality, beach access and other very important issues.

08-03-2009, 09:57 PM	#5
joyjiggin' Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 109	I regret having to leave after 2 hrs. at the meeting. Looks like I missed a lot! I enjoyed what every person had to say about keeping kayak spots open. I, too, believe that fishing IS A RIGHT. It makes me ill to think that anyone would even think that kayakfishing destroys or diminishes the fish population or the beauty of our ocean. Fight on, kayakers!

08-03-2009, 10:08 PM	#6
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	I'm still unclear as to why they threw John out?? because he named the actual person/people (public officials) who he was most disappointed with and why?? i didn't hear any profanity, what happened to the 1st amendment?? I loved Robs comments. Grunion??? aren't those illegal to use for bait(or seasonal?)....

08-04-2009, 07:08 AM	#8
buttchaser Float Tuber Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 243	Tyler , The word I used was sycophant (sĭk'ə-fənt,) A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.