Laguna Beach MLPA Workshop Report - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Zed · 07-02-2009, 06:34 AM

The irony.^

The Laguna Workshop was held on Aliso Creek, adjacent to Aliso Beach, one of the most polluted beaches in OC. The water reclamation/sewage treatment there has annual problems sending raw sewage right out the creek. Plus there's a golf course. Nothing against golf, just the amount of nitrates in the run-off from lawn fertilizers.

These were points made I (and at least Hook1) tried to get across as more pressing issues for Laguna.

I did get to talk to a Warden. Without getting into personal issues such as his pay, I did get a little testy on how the state can pay for the management of the MPA's. As it is now there isn't enough wardens just to enforce the current regs. And calling CalTip is nearly an exercise in futility, because there isn't enough manpower anyway. Another more pressing issue for Laguna and the State. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE BEFORE MAKING MORE! Recurring problem in history.

If there wasn't a huge contingent of kayakers there (I know there was some for sure) there was at least a lot of sportfishers there as the landings (Newport and Dana) had people there.

One of the irksome things is the damn buttons. Reserve Laguna Beach. It's trendy to alter lifestyles, ruin livelyhoods and take money directly out of the economy. Prop 8 sure had them (Laguna) in a frenzy.

tylerdurden · 07-02-2009, 06:56 AM

Here are some examples of the differences in blue areas. These are from a spearos point of view, but it shows all blue areas are not equal.

http://spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=86080

See the different take restrictions although the map is similar.

dgax65 · 07-02-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zed

If there wasn't a huge contingent of kayakers there (I know there was some for sure) there was at least a lot of sportfishers there as the landings (Newport and Dana) had people there.

One of the irksome things is the damn buttons. Reserve Laguna Beach. It's trendy to alter lifestyles, ruin livelyhoods and take money directly out of the economy. Prop 8 sure had them (Laguna) in a frenzy.

I figured it would be a different crowd when I pulled in the parking lot. On Tuesday night in SD the parking lot was full of pickup trucks; many bearing kayak racks or Bloody Decks stickers. The parking lot at Aliso Creek had more Prius' than a Toyota dealership.

I heard a lot of talk about 'saving the ocean' from people whose only interaction with the ocean is looking at it from the deck of their hillside home. They wouldn't know if there was a thriving kelp forest or a sandy desert under the surface. They are so convinced of the moral superiority of their position they don't care about the consequences.

B Slate · 07-02-2009, 10:39 AM

Is it just me or should they be put in polluted areas too. They can't put one in a polluted area, so they are going to try to take the cleanest and best waters of our coastline. Therefore leaving all of the polluted areas for us to fish in. I don't get this. Shoudn't they put them in the polluted and less fishy areas, so they can see if it actually helps improve them.

bigderel · 07-02-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Slate

Is it just me or should they be put in polluted areas too. They can't put one in a polluted area, so they are going to try to take the cleanest and best waters of our coastline. Therefore leaving all of the polluted areas for us to fish in. I don't get this. Shoudn't they put them in the polluted and less fishy areas, so they can see if it actually helps improve them.

STOP MAKING SENSE

My question for every enviro was the same - since the fish are already in peril if the area is polluted - shouldn't they receive the benefit of a closure? Not one had an answer, they all agreed, even a seal lady listening in. Yet the N. PV closure (for instance) continues while the polluted south is free to fish...oh, wait, look up on the cliffs and then go to Zillow to get approximate home values and you'll find your real answer.

Geoffkoop · 07-02-2009, 02:52 PM

Damn I was there and thought I was one of the only kayakers there. I wish I would of know you guys were all there to put some faces to the names. When I pulled up i too noticed an overwhelming amount of the Toyota Prius around with Obama, green earth stickers etc. on em. I guess it is Laguna, so not too much of a shock.

It seemed to me that the Opal map or External A gave the most area for LA Jolla? Is this true?

This whole thing just boggles my mind. I cant imagine these crazies closing all of these areas down.

Another question...How come all the enviros look so...well...enviro?

JoeBeck · 07-02-2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Slate

Is it just me or should they be put in polluted areas too. They can't put one in a polluted area, so they are going to try to take the cleanest and best waters of our coastline. Therefore leaving all of the polluted areas for us to fish in. I don't get this. Shoudn't they put them in the polluted and less fishy areas, so they can see if it actually helps improve them.

Seems to me they should concentrate on cleaning these polluted areas before deciding to close others. The MLPA's have nothing to do with water quality. Want a thriving ocean population? Keep the water clean.

Zed · 07-02-2009, 04:47 PM

Imagine the looks, "You realize it's your $hit polluting the ocean, right?"

Billy V · 07-02-2009, 08:35 PM

Maybe they are going to hire mercenaries

I don't want to get shot by any over zealous privately funded Mall Trooper

LakersFan · 07-03-2009, 08:08 AM

I carry my kayaks on a Jeep but I often drive a more economical car to work and other places. So, I would not necessarily say the parking lot was representative of the attendees. It is unfortunate if the MLPA process develops into an us against them situation with some taking the "enviros vs. fishermen" stance. I think this approach sells the fishermen’s input short. I have always contended that fishermen are one of the most knowledgeable groups of "enviros" there is. They have firsthand knowledge of the water, probably have better knowledge of many aspects of marine life than do many biologists due to their interaction and pursuit of their quarry, and they have an extreme stake in preserving both the habitat and the populations of the fish and other organisms that they pursue. I think of fishermen as the real deal conservationists in the same league as the volunteer divers who replant the kelp. Fishermen are not the wannabees that only know from looking out their cliffside window or who refuse to trace the food that they eat to its real source.

I am a fishermen and I am for conservation of our marine life and for preservation of our right to fish.

We need to take action to preserve and restore our marine life and marine habitats. This action must not ban our right to recreational fishing. I think recreational fishermen should continue to be the conservationists I know them to be. Just look at the ideas offered by fishermen above regarding closing and restoring the dirty areas. Those types of ideas restore my faith that fishermen are "enviros"!

07-02-2009, 06:34 AM	#1
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	The irony.^ The Laguna Workshop was held on Aliso Creek, adjacent to Aliso Beach, one of the most polluted beaches in OC. The water reclamation/sewage treatment there has annual problems sending raw sewage right out the creek. Plus there's a golf course. Nothing against golf, just the amount of nitrates in the run-off from lawn fertilizers. These were points made I (and at least Hook1) tried to get across as more pressing issues for Laguna. I did get to talk to a Warden. Without getting into personal issues such as his pay, I did get a little testy on how the state can pay for the management of the MPA's. As it is now there isn't enough wardens just to enforce the current regs. And calling CalTip is nearly an exercise in futility, because there isn't enough manpower anyway. Another more pressing issue for Laguna and the State. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE BEFORE MAKING MORE! Recurring problem in history. If there wasn't a huge contingent of kayakers there (I know there was some for sure) there was at least a lot of sportfishers there as the landings (Newport and Dana) had people there. One of the irksome things is the damn buttons. Reserve Laguna Beach. It's trendy to alter lifestyles, ruin livelyhoods and take money directly out of the economy. Prop 8 sure had them (Laguna) in a frenzy. __________________ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he'll eat for a week.

07-02-2009, 06:56 AM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Here are some examples of the differences in blue areas. These are from a spearos point of view, but it shows all blue areas are not equal. http://spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=86080 See the different take restrictions although the map is similar. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

07-02-2009, 04:47 PM	#8
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	Imagine the looks, "You realize it's your $hit polluting the ocean, right?" __________________ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he'll eat for a week.

07-02-2009, 10:39 AM	#4
B Slate Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Verne Posts: 92	Is it just me or should they be put in polluted areas too. They can't put one in a polluted area, so they are going to try to take the cleanest and best waters of our coastline. Therefore leaving all of the polluted areas for us to fish in. I don't get this. Shoudn't they put them in the polluted and less fishy areas, so they can see if it actually helps improve them.

07-02-2009, 02:52 PM	#6
Geoffkoop Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 302	Damn I was there and thought I was one of the only kayakers there. I wish I would of know you guys were all there to put some faces to the names. When I pulled up i too noticed an overwhelming amount of the Toyota Prius around with Obama, green earth stickers etc. on em. I guess it is Laguna, so not too much of a shock. It seemed to me that the Opal map or External A gave the most area for LA Jolla? Is this true? This whole thing just boggles my mind. I cant imagine these crazies closing all of these areas down. Another question...How come all the enviros look so...well...enviro?

07-02-2009, 08:35 PM	#9
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Maybe they are going to hire mercenaries I don't want to get shot by any over zealous privately funded Mall Trooper

07-03-2009, 08:08 AM	#10
LakersFan Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 92	I carry my kayaks on a Jeep but I often drive a more economical car to work and other places. So, I would not necessarily say the parking lot was representative of the attendees. It is unfortunate if the MLPA process develops into an us against them situation with some taking the "enviros vs. fishermen" stance. I think this approach sells the fishermen’s input short. I have always contended that fishermen are one of the most knowledgeable groups of "enviros" there is. They have firsthand knowledge of the water, probably have better knowledge of many aspects of marine life than do many biologists due to their interaction and pursuit of their quarry, and they have an extreme stake in preserving both the habitat and the populations of the fish and other organisms that they pursue. I think of fishermen as the real deal conservationists in the same league as the volunteer divers who replant the kelp. Fishermen are not the wannabees that only know from looking out their cliffside window or who refuse to trace the food that they eat to its real source. I am a fishermen and I am for conservation of our marine life and for preservation of our right to fish. We need to take action to preserve and restore our marine life and marine habitats. This action must not ban our right to recreational fishing. I think recreational fishermen should continue to be the conservationists I know them to be. Just look at the ideas offered by fishermen above regarding closing and restoring the dirty areas. Those types of ideas restore my faith that fishermen are "enviros"!