Next MLPA meeting--April 28 (Tues) in Oxnard - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 04-28-2009, 07:55 PM

Big Thanks to Paul, and MJ!

Major props to:

Tyler
Kurt
Matt
Martin
Clay the fish catcher
Geno
Josh Pruitt
Josh (other Josh)
JJ
Don

The Spearos had 25-30, this is not a competition, but let's get those kayak fishing numbers up next time. More LA people need to attend when it is your area, that means Oceanside

to Pt. Conception. Time to STEP UP!!!!

Tman · 04-28-2009, 08:46 PM

Matt thanks for the drive, Geno, great meetin ya.

Good turnout, hopefully our point came across, this became a turning point for me personally, watching the double speak.

I agree, we need more presence. Big time.

To those who made the trek,

Paul and MJ, hard to imagine sitting through that and not being able to say how you truly feel, with the games the MLPAI throw at us.

At the onset, hearing the committee explain why they changed the schedule, and why the amendments to their proposals were added at the last minute without giving advance notice to us (kayakers, fishers, spearos, etc.) was an eye opener to the battle being faced by our supporters.

One of the MLPAI even stated the, "we can't possibly wait to gather all the necessary data..", that being the explanation of their amending of the MPA proposal. Hard to even fathom...hmmm....

Matt · 04-28-2009, 08:58 PM

I OFFICIALLY HATE THE MLPA!

If you don't think your gonna lose LJ you are living in a dream now step up and fight for it!!! The beauracracy is unimaginable!! This thing is gonna get railroaded down on all of us. It is definitely time to stand up and be counted!!!

The double speak, the refusal to answer or even take questions of the pro-fishing side, it is truly something to behold! We stand a chance but you and YES I MEAN YOU...YES THE ONE READING THIS NEEDS TO STAND UP AND MAKE THE EFFORT OR FORGET LJ....I hope you all like fishing for spotties!! Because if these people have their way and that may even be threatened due to the endangerment of eel grass....no shit I am not kidding eel grass!! It is time to make a statement if you want to fish and share the experience someday with your children and grandchildren YOU MUST ACT NOW!!!!!!

Huge props to all the dudes who showed up to represent! Tyler and Chris et. al. thanks for the speech to read and the help re-writing it. CLAY

!! Martin you have a great kid and it is very easy to see why he is the way he is! Kurt, Josh P, Josh, The guy in the suit who's name I have forgotten, Habanero, Chris, Tyler, T-Man, Fishcatcher, Gino you all made me proud to stand up and fight for what is ours!

BIG, BIG THANKS TO MJ AND PAL!!

STAND UP AND FIGHT OR LOSE IT ALL! If more of you don't show up we are done for!

steveooo · 04-28-2009, 09:06 PM

Today was just a day I could not swing. I will be at the next meeting for sure. Big thanks to the guys that made the drive up.

dsafety · 04-28-2009, 09:37 PM

After reading the posts above, I can sense the frustration but am not getting a clear picture of what we are up against. I understand the incredible uselessness of the bureaucracy but what are they doing specifically as they try to force this thing down our throats?

I have not yet attended one of these meetings. I will do whatever it takes to make the next one. (It sounds like I better come unarmed in order to avoid an unseemly incident). What I would like to know is how and why the opposition seems to be gaining ground against all logic.

Please educate me.

Bob

Tman · 04-28-2009, 09:50 PM

The 'eel grass' issue Matt is referring to, even the MLPAI (one of the member of their so called I Team) even called it, no chit, 'seal grass'....

hmmm...Freudian slip, maybe?

It was so easy to read between the lines of what they were saying.

And in the end of the "seal grass" discussion, one of the 'I Team' even admitted that they need more input from people that have closer access to viewing the eel grass, so in essence, what they are saying is that they are making assumptions since they don't have the time nor the inclination to actually pursue the facts they throw out there...this coming after a diver enlightened them on the fact that there is not a problem with the abundance of 'seal grass'...

I jotted many notes (yes I'm a freak), and some of the comments from the Task Force was unreal.

Such as the comment of kelp habitat studies, and a comment being made how "plans change overnight"...then a Mr. Evan Fox chiming in claiming it was a month long study, but concerns should be addressed to the scientific study board...who were conspicuously absent....hmmm..

Or the Kelp Habitat Evaluation, and how each party was not given sufficient time to prepare a defense or argument, relegating it to a later discussion time because no science advisory board members were present. hmmmm...

Then a Dr. Murray touched on the issue later, on the importance of kelp habitat to the eco structure. ie rock formations for kelp to flourish, sandy bottoms not conducive to kelp forests, eel grass and the abundance of kelp. According to his assessment (and his assistant), shouldn't LJ be very healthy and sustainable to life?

The only time LJ kelp is affected is when the kelp cutters come through and back down on the kelp. Was that even entered into the equation?

Again, hmmmm...

One postive - the comment of one Melissa Miller-Hansen ( I could be wrong on the name, 2 placards in front of her) who said, " If we show proof since we are on the water more, that the kelp and sea(eel) grass is healthy, that needs to be brought to our attention."

Last but not least, for all of you who have a passive, hopefulness attitude and choose to stand by, know this.....

The power to change MLPA's, are the DFG, CA Dept of Parks & Rec, a Long Term Monitoring Program (set in place), and an Outreach Education Plan (set in place), plus an 'Adaptive Management Process', are the powers involved to review and re-evaluate to see how the process is functioning statewide......

After 5 YEARS!!!!

If I am wrong about this, someone please correct me...
If I am not wrong, then I guess I took too many notes.

By the way, all meetings are recorded....

Law Hand · 04-28-2009, 09:52 PM

For Clay.

"Go at it boldly, and you'll find unexpected forces closing round you and coming to your aid"

Thank you for having the courage and the dedication

PAL · 04-28-2009, 10:20 PM

You guys were awesome - good job getting your views across. People noticed. Major props.

Why'd you leave early? We went til 10 PM! Got exciting when 30 RSG members - including MJ and I - presented a letter calling for a pause until the science catches up. More once I get home. We have another tough day ahead.

Mr Mugu · 04-28-2009, 10:56 PM

JJ, Mike G, and Steve M were a couple of the
local guys that showed.

Heard from the ladies that Pierpont represented
at the mixer!

Big thanks to everyone!

/MJ

Holy Mackerel · 04-29-2009, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAL

You guys were awesome - good job getting your views across. People noticed. Major props.

Why'd you leave early? We went til 10 PM! Got exciting when 30 RSG members - including MJ and I - presented a letter calling for a pause until the science catches up. More once I get home. We have another tough day ahead.

Paul, I need some details! After getting up at 3:30am, ~5pm was all I could handle!

Time to rally our base, as you can see from the testimony above this process is inherently flawed.

One portion went something like this...

RSG Member: "why are we getting this big stack of scientific information the day before this meeting, shouldn't have time to review it, so we know what we are talking about before we can make a decision."

BRTF Member: "You really don't need to know that information"

Btw, must give Matt Fallon, our gregarious one, props for delivering our message. We pulled our time together, to give one strong single message, rather than repeating ourselves. We can use this strategy next time. Others all contributed their time, on different angles we could not get in our 3minutes of ceded time. It was a plus to have one strong single message, then other voices speaking on their own, to show there were more than one of us, and other perspectives.

chris

04-28-2009, 08:46 PM	#2
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Matt thanks for the drive, Geno, great meetin ya. Good turnout, hopefully our point came across, this became a turning point for me personally, watching the double speak. I agree, we need more presence. Big time. To those who made the trek, Paul and MJ, hard to imagine sitting through that and not being able to say how you truly feel, with the games the MLPAI throw at us. At the onset, hearing the committee explain why they changed the schedule, and why the amendments to their proposals were added at the last minute without giving advance notice to us (kayakers, fishers, spearos, etc.) was an eye opener to the battle being faced by our supporters. One of the MLPAI even stated the, "we can't possibly wait to gather all the necessary data..", that being the explanation of their amending of the MPA proposal. Hard to even fathom...hmmm.... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

04-28-2009, 08:58 PM	#3
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	I OFFICIALLY HATE THE MLPA! If you don't think your gonna lose LJ you are living in a dream now step up and fight for it!!! The beauracracy is unimaginable!! This thing is gonna get railroaded down on all of us. It is definitely time to stand up and be counted!!! The double speak, the refusal to answer or even take questions of the pro-fishing side, it is truly something to behold! We stand a chance but you and YES I MEAN YOU...YES THE ONE READING THIS NEEDS TO STAND UP AND MAKE THE EFFORT OR FORGET LJ....I hope you all like fishing for spotties!! Because if these people have their way and that may even be threatened due to the endangerment of eel grass....no shit I am not kidding eel grass!! It is time to make a statement if you want to fish and share the experience someday with your children and grandchildren YOU MUST ACT NOW!!!!!! Huge props to all the dudes who showed up to represent! Tyler and Chris et. al. thanks for the speech to read and the help re-writing it. CLAY !! Martin you have a great kid and it is very easy to see why he is the way he is! Kurt, Josh P, Josh, The guy in the suit who's name I have forgotten, Habanero, Chris, Tyler, T-Man, Fishcatcher, Gino you all made me proud to stand up and fight for what is ours! BIG, BIG THANKS TO MJ AND PAL!! STAND UP AND FIGHT OR LOSE IT ALL! If more of you don't show up we are done for! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

04-28-2009, 09:50 PM	#6
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	The 'eel grass' issue Matt is referring to, even the MLPAI (one of the member of their so called I Team) even called it, no chit, 'seal grass'.... hmmm...Freudian slip, maybe? It was so easy to read between the lines of what they were saying. And in the end of the "seal grass" discussion, one of the 'I Team' even admitted that they need more input from people that have closer access to viewing the eel grass, so in essence, what they are saying is that they are making assumptions since they don't have the time nor the inclination to actually pursue the facts they throw out there...this coming after a diver enlightened them on the fact that there is not a problem with the abundance of 'seal grass'... I jotted many notes (yes I'm a freak), and some of the comments from the Task Force was unreal. Such as the comment of kelp habitat studies, and a comment being made how "plans change overnight"...then a Mr. Evan Fox chiming in claiming it was a month long study, but concerns should be addressed to the scientific study board...who were conspicuously absent....hmmm.. Or the Kelp Habitat Evaluation, and how each party was not given sufficient time to prepare a defense or argument, relegating it to a later discussion time because no science advisory board members were present. hmmmm... Then a Dr. Murray touched on the issue later, on the importance of kelp habitat to the eco structure. ie rock formations for kelp to flourish, sandy bottoms not conducive to kelp forests, eel grass and the abundance of kelp. According to his assessment (and his assistant), shouldn't LJ be very healthy and sustainable to life? The only time LJ kelp is affected is when the kelp cutters come through and back down on the kelp. Was that even entered into the equation? Again, hmmmm... One postive - the comment of one Melissa Miller-Hansen ( I could be wrong on the name, 2 placards in front of her) who said, " If we show proof since we are on the water more, that the kelp and sea(eel) grass is healthy, that needs to be brought to our attention." Last but not least, for all of you who have a passive, hopefulness attitude and choose to stand by, know this..... The power to change MLPA's, are the DFG, CA Dept of Parks & Rec, a Long Term Monitoring Program (set in place), and an Outreach Education Plan (set in place), plus an 'Adaptive Management Process', are the powers involved to review and re-evaluate to see how the process is functioning statewide...... After 5 YEARS!!!! If I am wrong about this, someone please correct me... If I am not wrong, then I guess I took too many notes. By the way, all meetings are recorded.... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

04-28-2009, 09:52 PM	#7
Law Hand Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 33	Clay in action. For Clay. "Go at it boldly, and you'll find unexpected forces closing round you and coming to your aid" Thank you for having the courage and the dedication

04-28-2009, 10:20 PM	#8
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	You guys were awesome - good job getting your views across. People noticed. Major props. Why'd you leave early? We went til 10 PM! Got exciting when 30 RSG members - including MJ and I - presented a letter calling for a pause until the science catches up. More once I get home. We have another tough day ahead. Last edited by PAL; 04-28-2009 at 10:36 PM.

04-28-2009, 07:55 PM	#1
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Big Thanks to Paul, and MJ! Major props to: Tyler Kurt Matt Martin Clay the fish catcher Geno Josh Pruitt Josh (other Josh) JJ Don The Spearos had 25-30, this is not a competition, but let's get those kayak fishing numbers up next time. More LA people need to attend when it is your area, that means Oceanside to Pt. Conception. Time to STEP UP!!!!

04-28-2009, 09:06 PM	#4
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,922	Today was just a day I could not swing. I will be at the next meeting for sure. Big thanks to the guys that made the drive up.

04-28-2009, 09:37 PM	#5
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	After reading the posts above, I can sense the frustration but am not getting a clear picture of what we are up against. I understand the incredible uselessness of the bureaucracy but what are they doing specifically as they try to force this thing down our throats? I have not yet attended one of these meetings. I will do whatever it takes to make the next one. (It sounds like I better come unarmed in order to avoid an unseemly incident). What I would like to know is how and why the opposition seems to be gaining ground against all logic. Please educate me. Bob

04-28-2009, 10:56 PM	#9
Mr Mugu Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Malibu Posts: 48	JJ, Mike G, and Steve M were a couple of the local guys that showed. Heard from the ladies that Pierpont represented at the mixer! Big thanks to everyone! /MJ