Childrens Pool Meeting Tues 2/17 2pm - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Billy V · 02-14-2009, 08:05 PM

I'm off and hate those assholes from seal watch.

I just sent a letter to every SD Council Member stating Opposition to amendment of 1931 Tidelands Trust pertaining to Children’s Pool.

Brian Sanner · 02-15-2009, 09:15 AM

I have seen alot of personal property (boats and docks), in Newport Harbor that the seals have taken a liking to. They do untold damage to the property in the process, on top of the racket they make when fighting over room on some poor guys boat or dock. Should they have the right to seize or turn into sanctuaries personal watercraft, docks etc...... because seals have taken a liking to it and choose it as their hauling out spot? rediculous that they would try to rewrite this to suit their needs. The whole thing of having the meeting at 2 p.m. on a Tuesday is just typical.

PAL · 02-15-2009, 10:51 AM

During last month's MLPA meetings in San Diego, the FOS paraded one speaker after another to the microphone. Their message? ALL of La Jolla should be closed as a State Marine Reserve to further protect the seal rookery. A 3 mile by 4 mile closure starting at the current reserve and wrapping around the point all the way south to the end of the kelp bed would most definitely affect kayak fishing.

Similarly, pro-access people are using the backlash generated against the FOS to further their aims. Although I did not previously have an issue with the presence of the seals, as they almost never bother hook and line anglers, my sympathies now lie with the access crowd.

The situation is complex, one I don't care to lay out any further in public. As always, I'm available via PM, as is MJ.

dsafety · 02-16-2009, 11:37 AM

I emailed a version of the "letter" to all the City Council members. Two messages bounced back for having bad addresses, (I used what was posted). Only Sherri Lightner bothered to acknowledge receipt of the message.

My experience with City Government is that most of the decisions on issues being brought to public meetings have already been decided prior to the public meeting. The meetings are mainly to make the public think that we have some input on the decision making process. There is money already budgeted to clean up the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. The Lifeguards speak as if it is already a done deal.

I would be surprised if any minds will be changed at this point but it certainly won't hurt to have a few reasonable people at this meeting who support our point of view on this issue. Most of the FOS people are semi-nutcases, (remember the tatooed guy with the huge fishhook stuck in his skin?). Even the roughest of our group will come across as reasonable when compared to some of our opponents.

Bob

Billy V · 02-16-2009, 06:53 PM

They have already scaffold around the lifeguard tower. It also looks like there are surveillance cameras there.

Matt · 02-17-2009, 09:40 AM

sorry to say guys, but I am not gonna make the meeting i just got called into work....good luck!!

dgax65 · 02-17-2009, 06:55 PM

So, that didn't go very well. It was quite obvious that the council had already made a decision. There is no acknowledgment of what is right; just what is popular and will save the city some money. I shouldn't have expected any sort of integrity or courage from that lot. Just takin' the easy way out.

Taken by itself, this isn't such a huge loss. It is obvious that it will be tied up in the courts for years to come. The real issue that needs to be dealt with now is the seal-huggers trying to expand the La Jolla Reserve boundary to meet the soon-to-be Casa Beach Marine Mammal Sanctuary.

02-14-2009, 08:05 PM	#1
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I'm off and hate those assholes from seal watch. I just sent a letter to every SD Council Member stating Opposition to amendment of 1931 Tidelands Trust pertaining to Children’s Pool. Last edited by Billy V; 02-14-2009 at 09:45 PM.

02-17-2009, 09:40 AM	#6
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	sorry to say guys, but I am not gonna make the meeting i just got called into work....good luck!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

02-17-2009, 06:55 PM	#7
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	So, that didn't go very well. It was quite obvious that the council had already made a decision. There is no acknowledgment of what is right; just what is popular and will save the city some money. I shouldn't have expected any sort of integrity or courage from that lot. Just takin' the easy way out. Taken by itself, this isn't such a huge loss. It is obvious that it will be tied up in the courts for years to come. The real issue that needs to be dealt with now is the seal-huggers trying to expand the La Jolla Reserve boundary to meet the soon-to-be Casa Beach Marine Mammal Sanctuary. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

02-15-2009, 09:15 AM	#2
Brian Sanner Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 48	I have seen alot of personal property (boats and docks), in Newport Harbor that the seals have taken a liking to. They do untold damage to the property in the process, on top of the racket they make when fighting over room on some poor guys boat or dock. Should they have the right to seize or turn into sanctuaries personal watercraft, docks etc...... because seals have taken a liking to it and choose it as their hauling out spot? rediculous that they would try to rewrite this to suit their needs. The whole thing of having the meeting at 2 p.m. on a Tuesday is just typical.

02-15-2009, 10:51 AM	#3
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	During last month's MLPA meetings in San Diego, the FOS paraded one speaker after another to the microphone. Their message? ALL of La Jolla should be closed as a State Marine Reserve to further protect the seal rookery. A 3 mile by 4 mile closure starting at the current reserve and wrapping around the point all the way south to the end of the kelp bed would most definitely affect kayak fishing. Similarly, pro-access people are using the backlash generated against the FOS to further their aims. Although I did not previously have an issue with the presence of the seals, as they almost never bother hook and line anglers, my sympathies now lie with the access crowd. The situation is complex, one I don't care to lay out any further in public. As always, I'm available via PM, as is MJ.

02-16-2009, 11:37 AM	#4
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	I emailed a version of the "letter" to all the City Council members. Two messages bounced back for having bad addresses, (I used what was posted). Only Sherri Lightner bothered to acknowledge receipt of the message. My experience with City Government is that most of the decisions on issues being brought to public meetings have already been decided prior to the public meeting. The meetings are mainly to make the public think that we have some input on the decision making process. There is money already budgeted to clean up the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. The Lifeguards speak as if it is already a done deal. I would be surprised if any minds will be changed at this point but it certainly won't hurt to have a few reasonable people at this meeting who support our point of view on this issue. Most of the FOS people are semi-nutcases, (remember the tatooed guy with the huge fishhook stuck in his skin?). Even the roughest of our group will come across as reasonable when compared to some of our opponents. Bob

02-16-2009, 06:53 PM	#5
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	They have already scaffold around the lifeguard tower. It also looks like there are surveillance cameras there.