IMPORTANT: What would you change about California's fishing license? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

stevie951 · 06-06-2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Baja_Traveler

I once read that there was some study that found California fishing licenses cost 75% more compared to all other states, yet we have some of the highest barriers to fishing (i.e. MLPA's and other closed areas) put in place.

To add to what Kai is saying, I am not sure I have ever seen an MLPA re-opened? So say some incentives like with a fishery population boost, the re-opening of an area? Something to remind us that we are simply not paying the salaries of those making the rules you know but actually having an impact on the fisheries with that $60 a year fee..

PAL · 06-06-2018, 12:22 PM

In my posts over on Facebook, the idea of a 365-day license is overwhelmingly supported. Some background, there are two bills being considered in the legislature. One, IIRC, adds a 20% fee to the current license price for the privilege. The other, SB518, sets the 365-day license at the same price, but requires optional auto renewal. If you don't choose to auto renew, there's an extra 30% fee.

Which of these, if any, do you support?

goldenglory18 · 06-06-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PAL

The other, SB518, sets the 365-day license at the same price, but requires optional auto renewal.

This is perfect, especially for hardcore anglers that are always licensed. Without reading into the whole bill, I'm 100% into the idea.

Denis_Ruso · 06-06-2018, 12:42 PM

I'd be up for an additional recreational license to fish the MPAs. Gladly pay an extra 50-60$ a year.

Also I've always though that the year from date of purchase was a no-brainer. Would incentivize people to purchase the yearly license throughout the year rather than waiting for January. I don't see the need to raise the fee as you would already have an increase of participants.

Mr. NiceGuy · 06-07-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL

In my posts over on Facebook, the idea of a 365-day license is overwhelmingly supported. Some background, there are two bills being considered in the legislature. One, IIRC, adds a 20% fee to the current license price for the privilege. The other, SB518, sets the 365-day license at the same price, but requires optional auto renewal. If you don't choose to auto renew, there's an extra 30% fee.

Which of these, if any, do you support?

They will not vote to cut their source of funds. Bureaucracy does not work like that. They will use every scheme and tax and hidden squeeze of money they can think of to expand, hire more people, do more studies, expand their jurisdiction, have more meetings, drive around, buy more expensive trucks, boats and equipment at exorbitant prices, etc., until they ultimately collapse under their own bloated dead weight. That's the reality of what's happening to us.

Both schemes you mentioned are attempts to increase revenue, no matter how it's spun. We can't be naive about this. They never cut costs. To the people who run our government and rule over us, bloated waste and rampant inefficiency is a luxury of what they do, at the expense of us peasants who are forced to support them.

battleborn · 06-07-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. NiceGuy

They will not vote to cut their source of funds. Bureaucracy does not work like that. They will use every scheme and tax and hidden squeeze of money they can think of to expand, hire more people, do more studies, expand their jurisdiction, buy more expensive trucks, boats and equipment at exorbitant prices, etc., until they ultimately collapse under their own bloated dead weight. That's the reality of what's happening to us.

Both schemes you mentioned are attempts to increase revenue, no matter how it's spun. We can't be naive about this. They never cut costs. To the people who run our government and rule over us, bloated waste and rampant inefficiency is a luxury of what they do, at the expense of us peasants who support them.

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Mr. NiceGuy · 06-07-2018, 09:30 AM

Buying a one year license that is good for 6 months doubles our cost. Neat trick, eh Watt? The people who write deceptive laws like this think they are being clever, then it's rammed down our throats whether we agree or not.

To give us a so-called "privilege" for 20% or 30% more for relief from this scam is just as deceptive and disingenuous.

wiredantz · 06-06-2018, 12:58 PM

These are my personal ideas and might be controversial but here they go:

#1 I believe having a 365 fishing license is a bad idea, because I already detest fish game invading my plastic bathtub/ checking my vessel for any possible contraband. I literally have had them block me with their 60ft vessel... yell at me from 2 stories up to show them my fishing contract in a demeaning voice.... IM IN A PLASTIC BATHTUB what harm can I do! They also like to stare at you like hawks with binoculars, so that you feel uncomfortable fishing or waiting till your commit a crime on one of their statues.

Having one type of fishing license is easy to distinguish... and the faster Fish and games/ fish and wildlife mafia molests my rights and gets out of my space so I can continue fishing in peace the better. I like to get out and fish to get away from the city... Solitude is good sometimes

#2

What I would not mind paying for... is for fish hatcheries... I want to make sure our money is going to Fish Farms that replenish our ocean fish/fish structures... Trout Farms... And not overly paid Senate Members that have their own agendas....

#3

having a digital copy is a good idea.. but one could easily make one up. The only way to prove that a digital copy is authentic is for fish and game to have a current database where they can prove that you have a fishing contract that is active.... Which most often they are unable to authenticate because there is no signal where we are at....

Since the state has presumed that they have full control of the ocean waters and the fish that dwell on it. I don't feel that a fishing license/contract should be a money making scheme... I feel that fishing population should be protected for many generation after us.

Rules are for the protection of the fish and the fishery... It should not be a money making scheme like traffic tickets.

# 4

This one might be controversial, but it is just an idea..

I do like paying for trusted privileges...

For example: global entry, tsa pre-check...

what about trusted fishing privileges.

Maybe a special color on your Fishing License meaning you obey the laws are a trusted individuals has not committed any violations.... They see that color fishing license.... they don't even bother you... might be far fetched.... a special sticker you can attach to your fishing vessel maybe

but I just put it out there as an idea.

# 5

I know many small countries that do not have fishing licenses/ contacts, but they do enforce the season that fish can be kept. The Fines are heavy and there is jail time. I personally believe there are ways to protect the fish with out making people sign a contract to fish. Granted we are not a small country, we are in fact large cities with huge populations: even more so we should be able to contribute to fish replenishments and habitats for our local fish.

I think I'm way off topic. now..
Anyways not looking to start a war on words... just a fisherman idea on legal issues

This one has nothing to do with Fishing License Contract:

# A I also would like special fishing license plates that specifically contribute to fishing farms and fishing structures for our lakes and oceans. I know we have that fishing whale tale... but I want one strictly for fish replenishment.

Ggiannig89 · 06-06-2018, 02:01 PM

I do like the 365 license because there’s plenty of casual fisherman who would probably buy the year license over the 1 say license to not have to hassle with a license every time they go out.
Maybe it would be cool to have an added tally chart on the back for a species of personal preference between a few different fish to better keep an eye on populations and mail in? Similar to lobster cards. (I know I hate mailing my lobster card) but I’d love it if it was an optional feature that can be printed on the back only if you wanted.

Tomol · 06-06-2018, 03:15 PM

One fish limit year round, or a yearly total limit on white seabass.

Iceman · 06-06-2018, 03:49 PM

We used to fish a casual jackpot Jan 1 every year to start the year off right..........I fish about once a week..........a buck a pop ain't too bad.

I am going up to WA next week and spending $60 for 3 of us to fish one day and am not complaining about that either.

rodbuster · 06-06-2018, 04:11 PM

I just became a resident of Colorado and after six months my license is only $1.00 a year. Fishermen 65 and older get a big break. But I will miss the saltwater.

Rodbuster…..

GregAndrew · 06-06-2018, 04:37 PM

I like the idea of a 365 license, but it would not matter to me personally. The automatic renewal would not be a problem for me either. What I don't want to see is the state trying to generate general fund revenues off of unwarranted fees attached to licenses. I don't see it costing the state 20% more to issue a fishing license on June 14th than it does on Jan 1? The only reason that they are entertaining the ideas is the possibility of increased revenue. They should be happy that more occasional fishermen will opt for the yearly over the short term, if they have a full year left. That is not likely to happen if they charge 20% more.

06-06-2018, 12:42 PM	#4
Denis_Ruso Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 571	I'd be up for an additional recreational license to fish the MPAs. Gladly pay an extra 50-60$ a year. Also I've always though that the year from date of purchase was a no-brainer. Would incentivize people to purchase the yearly license throughout the year rather than waiting for January. I don't see the need to raise the fee as you would already have an increase of participants. __________________ 2018 Hobie Outback 13 I do not fear the storm as it will teach me how to sail my ship.

06-07-2018, 09:30 AM	#7
Mr. NiceGuy Manic for Life Join Date: May 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 839	Buying a one year license that is good for 6 months doubles our cost. Neat trick, eh Watt? The people who write deceptive laws like this think they are being clever, then it's rammed down our throats whether we agree or not. To give us a so-called "privilege" for 20% or 30% more for relief from this scam is just as deceptive and disingenuous. __________________ Another ho-hum day in Paradise

06-06-2018, 12:58 PM	#8
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	These are my personal ideas and might be controversial but here they go: #1 I believe having a 365 fishing license is a bad idea, because I already detest fish game invading my plastic bathtub/ checking my vessel for any possible contraband. I literally have had them block me with their 60ft vessel... yell at me from 2 stories up to show them my fishing contract in a demeaning voice.... IM IN A PLASTIC BATHTUB what harm can I do! They also like to stare at you like hawks with binoculars, so that you feel uncomfortable fishing or waiting till your commit a crime on one of their statues. Having one type of fishing license is easy to distinguish... and the faster Fish and games/ fish and wildlife mafia molests my rights and gets out of my space so I can continue fishing in peace the better. I like to get out and fish to get away from the city... Solitude is good sometimes #2 What I would not mind paying for... is for fish hatcheries... I want to make sure our money is going to Fish Farms that replenish our ocean fish/fish structures... Trout Farms... And not overly paid Senate Members that have their own agendas.... #3 having a digital copy is a good idea.. but one could easily make one up. The only way to prove that a digital copy is authentic is for fish and game to have a current database where they can prove that you have a fishing contract that is active.... Which most often they are unable to authenticate because there is no signal where we are at.... Since the state has presumed that they have full control of the ocean waters and the fish that dwell on it. I don't feel that a fishing license/contract should be a money making scheme... I feel that fishing population should be protected for many generation after us. Rules are for the protection of the fish and the fishery... It should not be a money making scheme like traffic tickets. # 4 This one might be controversial, but it is just an idea.. I do like paying for trusted privileges... For example: global entry, tsa pre-check... what about trusted fishing privileges. Maybe a special color on your Fishing License meaning you obey the laws are a trusted individuals has not committed any violations.... They see that color fishing license.... they don't even bother you... might be far fetched.... a special sticker you can attach to your fishing vessel maybe but I just put it out there as an idea. # 5 I know many small countries that do not have fishing licenses/ contacts, but they do enforce the season that fish can be kept. The Fines are heavy and there is jail time. I personally believe there are ways to protect the fish with out making people sign a contract to fish. Granted we are not a small country, we are in fact large cities with huge populations: even more so we should be able to contribute to fish replenishments and habitats for our local fish. I think I'm way off topic. now.. Anyways not looking to start a war on words... just a fisherman idea on legal issues This one has nothing to do with Fishing License Contract: # A I also would like special fishing license plates that specifically contribute to fishing farms and fishing structures for our lakes and oceans. I know we have that fishing whale tale... but I want one strictly for fish replenishment. __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it Last edited by wiredantz; 06-06-2018 at 01:23 PM.

06-06-2018, 03:49 PM	#11
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	We used to fish a casual jackpot Jan 1 every year to start the year off right..........I fish about once a week..........a buck a pop ain't too bad. I am going up to WA next week and spending $60 for 3 of us to fish one day and am not complaining about that either. __________________

06-06-2018, 04:11 PM	#12
rodbuster Junior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Placentia, North O.C. Posts: 16	A break for us old guys I just became a resident of Colorado and after six months my license is only $1.00 a year. Fishermen 65 and older get a big break. But I will miss the saltwater. Rodbuster…..

06-06-2018, 12:22 PM	#2
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	In my posts over on Facebook, the idea of a 365-day license is overwhelmingly supported. Some background, there are two bills being considered in the legislature. One, IIRC, adds a 20% fee to the current license price for the privilege. The other, SB518, sets the 365-day license at the same price, but requires optional auto renewal. If you don't choose to auto renew, there's an extra 30% fee. Which of these, if any, do you support?

06-06-2018, 02:01 PM	#9
Ggiannig89 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: El Cajon Posts: 512	I do like the 365 license because there’s plenty of casual fisherman who would probably buy the year license over the 1 say license to not have to hassle with a license every time they go out. Maybe it would be cool to have an added tally chart on the back for a species of personal preference between a few different fish to better keep an eye on populations and mail in? Similar to lobster cards. (I know I hate mailing my lobster card) but I’d love it if it was an optional feature that can be printed on the back only if you wanted.

06-06-2018, 03:15 PM	#10
Tomol Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 34	One fish limit year round, or a yearly total limit on white seabass.

06-06-2018, 04:37 PM	#13
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I like the idea of a 365 license, but it would not matter to me personally. The automatic renewal would not be a problem for me either. What I don't want to see is the state trying to generate general fund revenues off of unwarranted fees attached to licenses. I don't see it costing the state 20% more to issue a fishing license on June 14th than it does on Jan 1? The only reason that they are entertaining the ideas is the possibility of increased revenue. They should be happy that more occasional fishermen will opt for the yearly over the short term, if they have a full year left. That is not likely to happen if they charge 20% more.