Hookup Baits - Thoughts? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Denis_Ruso · 05-17-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevie951

I politely disagree. Anyone whom poaches knowingly and is prosecuted should be banned from ever obtaining a recreational license of any type in their lifetime.. If this were the case, and we all knew, do you think people would still Poach? Not nearly as many!!

A bit harsh in my opinion but I see where you are coming from. More severe penalties would be more of a deterrence for people. I think this was exemplified pretty well on decision for revocation of the commercial fishing license for 5 years of the Pacific Star back in February. Which IMO is pretty much a death sentence for a sport fishing operation.

I think this more of a sociological issue and question on whether people are capable of change. If a man commits a crime should he be robbed of his potential to do good in the future? Life is a learning experience and everyone makes mistakes. Most learn through their mistakes, so paying for yours for the rest of your life seems a bit severe and does not offer the opportunity to learn.

So assuming he has learned his lesson and is doing good for the fishing community, do you believe in second chances?

ful-rac · 05-17-2018, 12:36 PM

It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star...

Denis_Ruso · 05-17-2018, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star...

Thank you. Corrected.

Chuck D · 05-18-2018, 05:55 AM

Good information to take into consideration when supporting a business. My future purchases will not include this company. Yes, second chances are of course a nice thing to do if you believe the crime is acceptable enough to forgive...

Mahigeer · 05-23-2018, 11:18 AM

I still maintain that the only way to reduce poaching is by public awareness.
Educating the newbies is another important avenue.
There should be Public Service Announcement paid by the poachers.

A father that poaches is one thing.
However; if he teaches his kids that it is ok to ignore the law. That is unforgivable.

tak100 · 05-17-2018, 10:34 PM

Sav-On Tackle has a version of a tube bait that I tried two weeks ago down at La Jolla.

I was amazed at the action. Three rockfish and a calico for that day.

*Full disclosure I was given a free sample of these new baits but I think I was just a lucky customer that asked at the right time and not affiliated with the shop in other way.

In any case there are close alternatives available on the market and these things work.

nagami · 05-20-2018, 10:03 AM

great article,thanks for sharing

Tekniks · 05-23-2018, 06:10 AM

Everyone gets a second chance to do right. Doesnt stop me from using the baits as long as I know I'm compliant. How about this latest bust by the DFG? Will Red Rooster 3 be boycotted by their mistake?

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaD...082160/?type=3

ful-rac · 05-23-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekniks

Everyone gets a second chance to do right. Doesnt stop me from using the baits as long as I know I'm compliant. How about this latest bust by the DFG? Will Red Rooster 3 be boycotted by their mistake?

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaD...082160/?type=3

OUCH!!!!!!!

Probably not.....
Andy Cates is a Legend....I guess we'll see what happens...

DPevin · 05-23-2018, 11:15 AM

Awhile ago I bought a couple packs for fishing in the harbor. Hooks bent/broke too easy in my opinion for how expensive they are. And if the fish are biting the hook up bait you can get them to bite a number of other things just as well for half the cost. Nothing magical about it. I won't be buying them again. Fishing is suddenly the cool thing to do it seems. With what seems like an influx of new folks the timing is right and those folks see people getting bit on the baits plastered all over social media and probably have some misconception that the need those baits to get bit. Can't knock the guy for capitalizing on the current situation.

I understand he has been "punished" and fined and all of that has been paid. I am also for second chances and believe people can change and should be given the opportunity to do so.

However, the he poached 3 deer in the park. Involved his kid in the whole thing as well as a couple other guys. Glassed up the rangers to avoid them. Took a warden 6 days to track them down. They covered up the evidence. The whole thing was just so intentional and so far from a mistake.

I personally have no desire to support someone like that changed or not, debt paid or not. I also wouldn't ever dare judge anyone that doesn't mind supporting him and his business and legitimate activities and current support of the industry. His fine was something like $50,000 dollars, not a lot of people have that kind of money just laying around. In some strange way my mind goes to the place of, every dollar earned from the bait company goes toward recouping the cost of that fine. I fully realize that is irrational and probably isn't the case. But I can't help but feel a debt isn't paid if you don't bare the whole burden.

jdvarnold · 05-23-2018, 12:06 PM

I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

goldenglory18 · 05-24-2018, 12:50 PM

Anyone catch Angler Chronicles this past weekend? Sergio was up in BC and had our boy from Hook Up Baits with him. Sergio typically talks a lot about conservation but was pretty quiet on that front this episode. I wonder if that was intentional....

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

Andy Cates is a Legend...

...any relation to (the also legendary) Phoebe Cates?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdvarnold

I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

They work, that's for sure. But so does a lot of other stuff out there.....

equyst · 05-25-2018, 09:23 AM

great articel,thanks

wiredantz · 10-25-2018, 08:24 AM

Bought some and they work.

Use Happy3

Get a free 1.4oz jig on every order and free shipping now through 10/27.

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ProfessorLongArms · 10-25-2018, 08:57 AM

Since this thread is being revived, I wanted to share an assumption that I had dispelled recently...

I had assumed the tube style baits were injection molded, as I know that’s how gitzits are made. I also have had very little luck with Gitzits in trying alternatives ( wanted something in the 3 to 4 ounce range that did not cost 20 bucks)

I assumed there was some sort of injection mold they had manufactured specifically for this bait... would explain why they’re so damn expensive.

Nah...

This mom on BD makes them by the dozen and they’re *dead* simple.

https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/th....694431/page-4

goldenglory18 · 10-25-2018, 09:26 AM

There is a dude on one of the facebook groups that makes Hookup knockoffs...in the bait/lure industry, that isn't a negative connotation at all. How many people make senko or fluke baits now?

Anyway, when I called them a knockoff, he snapped back at me and sent a shit message. I refuse to buy from him now knowing his customer demeanor absolutely sucks.

What was this thread originally about again???

jlabs63 · 10-25-2018, 11:52 AM

I agree with most of the previous posts. The guy made some mistakes and has paid for them. I have actually met Chad and his wife several times and they are very nice people.

I fish Hookup Baits all of the time and they crush it. Just about every species; tuna, yellowtail, WSB, bottom fish, etc.

They work when nothing else will.

The fishing industry is a tough business. I have a friend that started a new jig company making these

because he was tired of paying $8-$10 for a painted piece of lead with a hook. He has told me that the big boys (i.e. Tady, Sumo, etc.) have done nothing but try to undercut and push him out of the business. As such, I don't fault him for pursuing a patent to protect his business.

I do wish they were more durable.

randman · 11-08-2018, 06:51 AM

Will be fun follow

TCS · 11-09-2018, 03:25 PM

He did one bad thing on one day. Just because you post six different copies of a google search doesn’t make it six times worse.

I believe in the regulations and follow them just like most of us do. But come on, the guy shot a couple deer on the wrong side of a government line. Got caught, paid a disproportionate price. Now he’s trying to be an entreprenuer and do good.

I don’t think a witch hunt is appropriate here.

monkeyfishturds · 11-10-2018, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCS

He did one bad thing on one day. Just because you post six different copies of a google search doesn’t make it six times worse.

I believe in the regulations and follow them just like most of us do. But come on, the guy shot a couple deer on the wrong side of a government line. Got caught, paid a disproportionate price. Now he’s trying to be an entreprenuer and do good.

I don’t think a witch hunt is appropriate here.

A federal search warrant was executed on the electronic media found in the field. The evidence secured as a result of this search warrant led to the execution of a federal search warrant of Chad Gierlich's residence on January 11th, 2009. This search warrant was executed by NPS Special Agents and Rangers and Wardens of the California Department of Fish and Game. More evidence was seized during the execution of this search warrant including computers and the heads of two deer killed in Yosemite National Park in 2005 and 2007. Over the years, the Gierlichs had killed five trophy deer in Yosemite National Park.

05-17-2018, 12:36 PM	#2
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	It was the Pacific Star not the Royal Star... __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

10-25-2018, 08:24 AM	#14
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	Hookup BAIT SALE Bought some and they work. Use Happy3 Get a free 1.4oz jig on every order and free shipping now through 10/27. I have yet to meet someone in person who can be called blameless and upright all their life. __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

05-18-2018, 05:55 AM	#4
Chuck D Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bay Park Posts: 559	Good information to take into consideration when supporting a business. My future purchases will not include this company. Yes, second chances are of course a nice thing to do if you believe the crime is acceptable enough to forgive...

05-23-2018, 11:18 AM	#5
Mahigeer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,910	I still maintain that the only way to reduce poaching is by public awareness. Educating the newbies is another important avenue. There should be Public Service Announcement paid by the poachers. A father that poaches is one thing. However; if he teaches his kids that it is ok to ignore the law. That is unforgivable.

05-17-2018, 10:34 PM	#6
tak100 Recruit Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 153	Sav-On Tackle has a version of a tube bait that I tried two weeks ago down at La Jolla. I was amazed at the action. Three rockfish and a calico for that day. *Full disclosure I was given a free sample of these new baits but I think I was just a lucky customer that asked at the right time and not affiliated with the shop in other way. In any case there are close alternatives available on the market and these things work.

05-20-2018, 10:03 AM	#7
nagami Junior Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 3	great article,thanks for sharing

05-23-2018, 06:10 AM	#8
Tekniks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 109	Everyone gets a second chance to do right. Doesnt stop me from using the baits as long as I know I'm compliant. How about this latest bust by the DFG? Will Red Rooster 3 be boycotted by their mistake? https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaD...082160/?type=3

05-23-2018, 11:15 AM	#10
DPevin Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dana Point Posts: 96	Awhile ago I bought a couple packs for fishing in the harbor. Hooks bent/broke too easy in my opinion for how expensive they are. And if the fish are biting the hook up bait you can get them to bite a number of other things just as well for half the cost. Nothing magical about it. I won't be buying them again. Fishing is suddenly the cool thing to do it seems. With what seems like an influx of new folks the timing is right and those folks see people getting bit on the baits plastered all over social media and probably have some misconception that the need those baits to get bit. Can't knock the guy for capitalizing on the current situation. I understand he has been "punished" and fined and all of that has been paid. I am also for second chances and believe people can change and should be given the opportunity to do so. However, the he poached 3 deer in the park. Involved his kid in the whole thing as well as a couple other guys. Glassed up the rangers to avoid them. Took a warden 6 days to track them down. They covered up the evidence. The whole thing was just so intentional and so far from a mistake. I personally have no desire to support someone like that changed or not, debt paid or not. I also wouldn't ever dare judge anyone that doesn't mind supporting him and his business and legitimate activities and current support of the industry. His fine was something like $50,000 dollars, not a lot of people have that kind of money just laying around. In some strange way my mind goes to the place of, every dollar earned from the bait company goes toward recouping the cost of that fine. I fully realize that is irrational and probably isn't the case. But I can't help but feel a debt isn't paid if you don't bare the whole burden.

05-23-2018, 12:06 PM	#11
jdvarnold Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 40	I have used them and have had nothing but success, one (if not THE) best baits I have ever used. He was convicted and served his punishment.

05-25-2018, 09:23 AM	#13
equyst Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 23	great articel,thanks

10-25-2018, 08:57 AM	#15
ProfessorLongArms Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 401	Since this thread is being revived, I wanted to share an assumption that I had dispelled recently... I had assumed the tube style baits were injection molded, as I know that’s how gitzits are made. I also have had very little luck with Gitzits in trying alternatives ( wanted something in the 3 to 4 ounce range that did not cost 20 bucks) I assumed there was some sort of injection mold they had manufactured specifically for this bait... would explain why they’re so damn expensive. Nah... This mom on BD makes them by the dozen and they’re dead simple. https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/th....694431/page-4

10-25-2018, 09:26 AM	#16
goldenglory18 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Seattle Area Posts: 861	There is a dude on one of the facebook groups that makes Hookup knockoffs...in the bait/lure industry, that isn't a negative connotation at all. How many people make senko or fluke baits now? Anyway, when I called them a knockoff, he snapped back at me and sent a shit message. I refuse to buy from him now knowing his customer demeanor absolutely sucks. What was this thread originally about again???

10-25-2018, 11:52 AM	#17
jlabs63 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: SD - Carmel Valley Posts: 78	I agree with most of the previous posts. The guy made some mistakes and has paid for them. I have actually met Chad and his wife several times and they are very nice people. I fish Hookup Baits all of the time and they crush it. Just about every species; tuna, yellowtail, WSB, bottom fish, etc. They work when nothing else will. The fishing industry is a tough business. I have a friend that started a new jig company making these because he was tired of paying $8-$10 for a painted piece of lead with a hook. He has told me that the big boys (i.e. Tady, Sumo, etc.) have done nothing but try to undercut and push him out of the business. As such, I don't fault him for pursuing a patent to protect his business. I do wish they were more durable.

11-08-2018, 06:51 AM	#18
randman Banned Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 5	Will be fun follow

11-09-2018, 03:25 PM	#19
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	He did one bad thing on one day. Just because you post six different copies of a google search doesn’t make it six times worse. I believe in the regulations and follow them just like most of us do. But come on, the guy shot a couple deer on the wrong side of a government line. Got caught, paid a disproportionate price. Now he’s trying to be an entreprenuer and do good. I don’t think a witch hunt is appropriate here.