Fishing Conditions- how much do you overthink your trip? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

goldenglory18 · 10-25-2017, 05:59 AM

I look at it, partially from a scientific standpoint (I'm a curious analytical type) and partially from a comfort and safety standpoint. For me, there are two types of "fishing days"

1) Bay/Marina - If the surf is up, and the intervals are short, then its probably going to be safer to stay inside a protected area. If I make that call, then I'm looking at change of tide (water movement.) Still water to me is dead water. What I fish for, in the size I'm looking for, I almost never find in still water. Days like this I find more numbers, less quality fish.

2) Open water (outside a breakwall or surf launch) - This is when the swell is low, or the intervals are long. Wind is rarely an issue in this situation so I then feel "safe" to venture out to more open and unprotected water. I pay less attention to the tide in these situations and more to weather (any risk of adverse conditions) and water conditions (temp, clarity, depth, etc.) This is when I tend to catch higher quality, but less in quantity.

Disclaimer: I've only surf launched once, and that was with the help of an experienced hand. When I look at conditions now, its to see the wave/swell height, and to see the lag between sets. From my minimal understanding of "surf launching" for a newbie, I'm looking for low wind, low swell/wave height and longer intervals/sets. YMMV.....

- Kenny

Saba Slayer · 10-25-2017, 07:09 AM

Read last weeks article in the Western Outdoor News. Full Moon or New Moon?
It's in the in the "Long Range Season Primer" insert...
Frank LoPreste said..."Sometimes I get really close to thinking the whole moon phase thing is a bunch of hogwash. You can predict and plan a trip around the moon phase if you really want to but YOU CAN"T PREDICT THE CURRENTS. My feeling is just book your trips when it's most convenient.
Cast. Tim Ekstrom says..."But to throw a final wrench into the works, I have seen unbelievable fishing, coastal and offshore, unseat every theory and notion of what should be time and again...
Cast. Andy Cates Said..."You can't blame the full moon for slow fishing. We always tell people to book a trip that fits your schedule rather than trying to predict whether a moon phase is going to be better or worse. You pay your money and take your chance.
Cast. Kevin Osborn says..."My advise is to pick a good time for your fishing vacation and get out there...The single most important factor is current..."
Capt. Jeff DeBuys said..."...but just when you think you have it figured out you get a whole new set of rules...There is in my opinion, no set handbook to go by.
Cast. Art Taylor said...I encourage anglers to just go fishing when their schedule allows and not worry that their availability might not fall on the perfect phase of the moon.
Larry finished the article with...
"I'm inclined to go with with the above captain's experience and judgement that there are many other critical factors, like CURRENT, CURRENT, and CURRENT, which can't be predicted in advance..."

kenb · 10-25-2017, 05:45 PM

Prof, that was pretty much the same question I asked you when after being out all day you landed your kayak on leo beach and pulled out the halibut and the dozen other fish along with it. And when I asked you if you 'had been fishing out here a lot'? You told me with a smile, "it was beginner's luck".

Thinking more about it, it seems to me it's like most other things in life... it's how much time you put into something that makes it a success. You ain't going to catch any fish sitting in a chair watching a football game on Sunday afternoon.

What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

TheBentRod · 10-26-2017, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kenb

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What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

Follow other anglers!

Sorry, I could not help it!

2-Stix · 10-26-2017, 06:13 PM

I don't kayak fish much anymore...but by January of every year I have already paid for all my boat trips for that season. Full day, over nights and 2.5 day trips are all locked in.

ProfessorLongArms · 10-26-2017, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBentRod

Follow other anglers!

Sorry, I could not help it!

I can say with utmost certainty that I *probably* did not hide a tracking device in your hull.

kaya_one · 10-26-2017, 09:35 PM

Here's one of my go to sites...
http://www.tides4fishing.com/us/california/san-diego

it charts the sun rise, moon rise, and recently went through an upgrade to the web interface.

kenb · 11-01-2017, 10:20 AM

Just wondering, is the bait you use as important as the fishing conditions?

Does anyone have a procedure for determining the correct bait to use? Take several different baits with you and try them one by one to see what's working that day?

Was told, 'using lures is the best, but at $5 apiece it's too expensive when fishing around kelp beds because it's so easy to lose them'. Didn't ask what lures they were, guessing they were using some nicely, realistic sardine lures.

ProfessorLongArms · 11-01-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kaya_one

Here's one of my go to sites...
http://www.tides4fishing.com/us/california/san-diego

it charts the sun rise, moon rise, and recently went through an upgrade to the web interface.

This is really awesome site, and I appreciate you sharing it. Kind of a data overload, but fun to play around with.

10-25-2017, 07:09 AM	#2
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,878	Moon Phase Read last weeks article in the Western Outdoor News. Full Moon or New Moon? It's in the in the "Long Range Season Primer" insert... Frank LoPreste said..."Sometimes I get really close to thinking the whole moon phase thing is a bunch of hogwash. You can predict and plan a trip around the moon phase if you really want to but YOU CAN"T PREDICT THE CURRENTS. My feeling is just book your trips when it's most convenient. Cast. Tim Ekstrom says..."But to throw a final wrench into the works, I have seen unbelievable fishing, coastal and offshore, unseat every theory and notion of what should be time and again... Cast. Andy Cates Said..."You can't blame the full moon for slow fishing. We always tell people to book a trip that fits your schedule rather than trying to predict whether a moon phase is going to be better or worse. You pay your money and take your chance. Cast. Kevin Osborn says..."My advise is to pick a good time for your fishing vacation and get out there...The single most important factor is current..." Capt. Jeff DeBuys said..."...but just when you think you have it figured out you get a whole new set of rules...There is in my opinion, no set handbook to go by. Cast. Art Taylor said...I encourage anglers to just go fishing when their schedule allows and not worry that their availability might not fall on the perfect phase of the moon. Larry finished the article with... "I'm inclined to go with with the above captain's experience and judgement that there are many other critical factors, like CURRENT, CURRENT, and CURRENT, which can't be predicted in advance..." __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

10-25-2017, 05:59 AM	#1
goldenglory18 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Seattle Area Posts: 861	I look at it, partially from a scientific standpoint (I'm a curious analytical type) and partially from a comfort and safety standpoint. For me, there are two types of "fishing days" 1) Bay/Marina - If the surf is up, and the intervals are short, then its probably going to be safer to stay inside a protected area. If I make that call, then I'm looking at change of tide (water movement.) Still water to me is dead water. What I fish for, in the size I'm looking for, I almost never find in still water. Days like this I find more numbers, less quality fish. 2) Open water (outside a breakwall or surf launch) - This is when the swell is low, or the intervals are long. Wind is rarely an issue in this situation so I then feel "safe" to venture out to more open and unprotected water. I pay less attention to the tide in these situations and more to weather (any risk of adverse conditions) and water conditions (temp, clarity, depth, etc.) This is when I tend to catch higher quality, but less in quantity. Disclaimer: I've only surf launched once, and that was with the help of an experienced hand. When I look at conditions now, its to see the wave/swell height, and to see the lag between sets. From my minimal understanding of "surf launching" for a newbie, I'm looking for low wind, low swell/wave height and longer intervals/sets. YMMV..... - Kenny

10-25-2017, 05:45 PM	#3
kenb Junior Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: leo carrillo Posts: 9	Prof, that was pretty much the same question I asked you when after being out all day you landed your kayak on leo beach and pulled out the halibut and the dozen other fish along with it. And when I asked you if you 'had been fishing out here a lot'? You told me with a smile, "it was beginner's luck". Thinking more about it, it seems to me it's like most other things in life... it's how much time you put into something that makes it a success. You ain't going to catch any fish sitting in a chair watching a football game on Sunday afternoon. What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

10-26-2017, 06:13 PM	#5
2-Stix Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 376	I don't kayak fish much anymore...but by January of every year I have already paid for all my boat trips for that season. Full day, over nights and 2.5 day trips are all locked in.

10-26-2017, 09:35 PM	#7
kaya_one Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Encinitas Posts: 257	Here's one of my go to sites... http://www.tides4fishing.com/us/california/san-diego it charts the sun rise, moon rise, and recently went through an upgrade to the web interface.

11-01-2017, 10:20 AM	#8
kenb Junior Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: leo carrillo Posts: 9	Just wondering, is the bait you use as important as the fishing conditions? Does anyone have a procedure for determining the correct bait to use? Take several different baits with you and try them one by one to see what's working that day? Was told, 'using lures is the best, but at $5 apiece it's too expensive when fishing around kelp beds because it's so easy to lose them'. Didn't ask what lures they were, guessing they were using some nicely, realistic sardine lures.