Flat Fall Jigs - Any experience on here? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

jimichu · 07-21-2017, 10:51 AM

I use flat fall for everything, YT, rockfish, lingcod. It works really well for me, In fact I have more faith with my jig than live bait. BUT, I'm not using the shimano flat fall. Shimano's flat fall was one of the first generations of flat fall jigs, it's rarely seen now in japan because the newer ones works so much better. Try some "Seafloor control" flat fall jigs, especially the "Rector", I caught almost anything with that jig.

Lingcod is especially attracted to it. You don't need to cast, just drop it vertically to the bottom, depent on what you are try to catch, for rock fish and lingcod, just do slow up lift near the bottom and then drop back, repeat. For YT, do punchy fast up lifts continuesly to the surface with some random drops.

oh, you also need a "slow pitch jigging" rod, those rods are skinny with bouncy tips, the jig will dance better and be more attractive.

I just bought my first kayak, I think pretty soon I will be slow jigging on a kayak, maybe I'll try county line or LJ first.

FISH11 · 07-21-2017, 11:46 AM

I bought some in different sizes last year after going on a 3/4 day boat. Used them on the next 1.5 day boat but did not get anything because none of the Yellow or Bluefins we saw wanted to play, even with bait. Used it on my Kayak in March and cast it on some boils and landed a 34 lb Yellowtail. Next trip I cast it get a birds nest and watched it just keep going. I buy another (glow, now they are on backorder) on another Kayak trip bait is boiling I cast and get two huge Calicos and another Yellowrail. Later I let it fall too long get caught in the kelp and can't get it back, lost another. I have several other colors Sardine, Squid, and Anchovy. Haven't used the other enough to see how they do over the Glow color. On a boat I use 200 grams and on the Kayak 160 grams. I like them more than my Irons.

Mahigeer · 07-21-2017, 12:08 PM

They work great.

Baja_Traveler · 07-21-2017, 12:55 PM

Did a quick websearch for the Seafloor Control jigs - the only place I could find them in the US was from someone on Ebay - for $30 apiece.

domtesta27 · 07-21-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Baja_Traveler

Did a quick websearch for the Seafloor Control jigs - the only place I could find them in the US was from someone on Ebay - for $30 apiece.

$30 bucks says the seller is JIMICHU

jimichu · 07-21-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by domtesta27

$30 bucks says the seller is JIMICHU

isn't it $50 ?

jimichu · 07-21-2017, 01:57 PM

he's one pic from japanese angler Totos's blog, one jig, two amberjack:

Hunters Pa · 07-21-2017, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by domtesta27

$30 bucks says the seller is JIMICHU

Hmmmm, first post is promoting a jig only available on ebay? Ya think?

jimichu · 07-21-2017, 08:12 PM

I'm just offering my honest expeience as the post is asking for. If anybody feels I'm a jig seller, plz just ignore what I've said and go on with your favorite flat fall. I'm a jigger and I use many different brand of jigs, what I mentioned is just one if them.

Orca Winfrey · 07-24-2017, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimichu

I use flat fall for everything, YT, rockfish, lingcod. It works really well for me, In fact I have more faith with my jig than live bait. BUT, I'm not using the shimano flat fall. Shimano's flat fall was one of the first generations of flat fall jigs, it's rarely seen now in japan because the newer ones works so much better. Try some "Seafloor control" flat fall jigs, especially the "Rector", I caught almost anything with that jig.

Lingcod is especially attracted to it. You don't need to cast, just drop it vertically to the bottom, depent on what you are try to catch, for rock fish and lingcod, just do slow up lift near the bottom and then drop back, repeat. For YT, do punchy fast up lifts continuesly to the surface with some random drops.

oh, you also need a "slow pitch jigging" rod, those rods are skinny with bouncy tips, the jig will dance better and be more attractive.

I just bought my first kayak, I think pretty soon I will be slow jigging on a kayak, maybe I'll try county line or LJ first.

Not to hijack things, but does four hooks on a flatfall violate the two-hook restriction for rockfish?

goldenglory18 · 07-25-2017, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Orca Winfrey

Not to hijack things, but does four hooks on a flatfall violate the two-hook restriction for rockfish?

I was silently thinking the same thing.....

MrPukaShell · 07-25-2017, 01:03 PM

What boat are you going to fish. MY guess is you will be heading out to Anacapa to fish for Yellowtails. Lately it has been sardines for bait. Nice size bate in the 4 to 7 inch range. They usually anchor up on a ridge after looking around and chum to see if they can get them to go. If the fish get on the chew it can be awesome. Get there early so you can be towards the front of the line. You want to claim a spot on the back of the boat. This way you can fly line a sardine and let it go back in the current. You will usually see the fish boiling around in the chum line. Last Saturday they did not want the iron and only sardines were getting bit. You can use a small egg sinker if you think you need to be a little deeper. Dropper loops are another method used with a 6-10 oz torpedo and hooks to match the bait. Did not see anyone fishing a flat fall last Saturday on the trip I went on. Keep an eye on anyone catching fish to see if they are fishing the surface or on the bottom. Also 20-25 pound floro for leader. Good luck.

07-21-2017, 11:46 AM	#2
FISH11 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Pine Valley when not fishing La Jolla Posts: 2,643	I bought some in different sizes last year after going on a 3/4 day boat. Used them on the next 1.5 day boat but did not get anything because none of the Yellow or Bluefins we saw wanted to play, even with bait. Used it on my Kayak in March and cast it on some boils and landed a 34 lb Yellowtail. Next trip I cast it get a birds nest and watched it just keep going. I buy another (glow, now they are on backorder) on another Kayak trip bait is boiling I cast and get two huge Calicos and another Yellowrail. Later I let it fall too long get caught in the kelp and can't get it back, lost another. I have several other colors Sardine, Squid, and Anchovy. Haven't used the other enough to see how they do over the Glow color. On a boat I use 200 grams and on the Kayak 160 grams. I like them more than my Irons. __________________ MARK ......... 2016 MALIBU X FACTOR, 2020 SOLO SKIFF (Fishing Kayak on Steroids )

07-21-2017, 10:51 AM	#1
jimichu Junior Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Pasadena Posts: 8	I use flat fall for everything, YT, rockfish, lingcod. It works really well for me, In fact I have more faith with my jig than live bait. BUT, I'm not using the shimano flat fall. Shimano's flat fall was one of the first generations of flat fall jigs, it's rarely seen now in japan because the newer ones works so much better. Try some "Seafloor control" flat fall jigs, especially the "Rector", I caught almost anything with that jig. Lingcod is especially attracted to it. You don't need to cast, just drop it vertically to the bottom, depent on what you are try to catch, for rock fish and lingcod, just do slow up lift near the bottom and then drop back, repeat. For YT, do punchy fast up lifts continuesly to the surface with some random drops. oh, you also need a "slow pitch jigging" rod, those rods are skinny with bouncy tips, the jig will dance better and be more attractive. I just bought my first kayak, I think pretty soon I will be slow jigging on a kayak, maybe I'll try county line or LJ first.

07-21-2017, 12:08 PM	#3
Mahigeer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,908	They work great.

07-21-2017, 12:55 PM	#4
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	Did a quick websearch for the Seafloor Control jigs - the only place I could find them in the US was from someone on Ebay - for $30 apiece.

07-21-2017, 01:57 PM	#7
jimichu Junior Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Pasadena Posts: 8	he's one pic from japanese angler Totos's blog, one jig, two amberjack:

07-21-2017, 08:12 PM	#9
jimichu Junior Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Pasadena Posts: 8	I'm just offering my honest expeience as the post is asking for. If anybody feels I'm a jig seller, plz just ignore what I've said and go on with your favorite flat fall. I'm a jigger and I use many different brand of jigs, what I mentioned is just one if them.

07-25-2017, 01:03 PM	#12
MrPukaShell Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ventura COunty Posts: 521	What boat are you going to fish. MY guess is you will be heading out to Anacapa to fish for Yellowtails. Lately it has been sardines for bait. Nice size bate in the 4 to 7 inch range. They usually anchor up on a ridge after looking around and chum to see if they can get them to go. If the fish get on the chew it can be awesome. Get there early so you can be towards the front of the line. You want to claim a spot on the back of the boat. This way you can fly line a sardine and let it go back in the current. You will usually see the fish boiling around in the chum line. Last Saturday they did not want the iron and only sardines were getting bit. You can use a small egg sinker if you think you need to be a little deeper. Dropper loops are another method used with a 6-10 oz torpedo and hooks to match the bait. Did not see anyone fishing a flat fall last Saturday on the trip I went on. Keep an eye on anyone catching fish to see if they are fishing the surface or on the bottom. Also 20-25 pound floro for leader. Good luck.