120K for poaching OUCH!!!

[Wyota]

Silbaugh,

If you are using the online links (looks like you used dictionary.com instead of Websters), as your example, then let's use the entire definitions

Further down in dictionary.com, it also states poach as a verb, that among others includes the definition "to take game or fish illegally".

At the Webster's link, it also states "also: to take game or fish illegally".

Let's not cherry pick parts of the definition, let's source the entire definition if we are going to use a dictionary as our source

Just on a historical note, both mention the word's origin in middle England. That helps explain the "landowner" part, because back then, the land and the game upon it belonged to the lord who owned the lands.

Looks like both Websters and dictionary.com have included the more modern definition of the term. Even Oxford dictionary from England has updated it to include "Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own, or in contravention of official protection." In this case, official protection would be the gamelaws.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poach
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/poaching
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/poach


And for the record, I deplore poachers of all types, both private and commercial. You see it all the time, folk with too many lobsters, too many fish, undersized fish. All because the either think the rules don't apply to them, or think that they are the exception. It is, pure and simple, a case of where there is no sense of community or tribe. Folks are out for what benefits them alone, and to heck with how it affects those to their left and their right.

Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty

It's pretty funny how brainwashed people are. You have a computer in your hand and yet your too damn lazy to look up websters Dictionary.

Poaching Defintion= noun
1.
the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission.
2.
any encroachment on another's property, rights, ideas, or the like.

So did they poach by definition? No, and you gladly congratulate the DFG for busting a couple OLD guys for a dozen abalone, and 3 lobsters, and yet your completely clueless on the REAL FACTS. Every single year the commercial industry has been gaining revenue and yet it hasn't rung a bell yet.

Lets explore the facts:At the height of the Abalone Commercial Fishing Industry was bringing in 2000 metric tonnes of abalone. Let's put this in perspective for you. 4,408,000 Pounds of Abalone from the Commercial fishing industry! Of course the depletion of the resource didn't happen from recreational fishermen, but from commercial fishermen. Since then farming of the abalone become a major effort since it was the commercial fishermen who F***ed up the resource. Of course they don't ban or hardly put restrictions, but started farming.

Now, lets look at commercial fishing of Spiny Lobsters, because those evil fishermen took 3 (2 weeks before the season, how dare they). Here's a paragraph I found from the Monterey Research Facility:Establishing the import and export figures for California spiny lobster is rather complicated due to the lack of delineation of the term “lobster” in most databases. However, the 2010 ex-vessel value of the California lobster fishery was $11.13 million in 2010 (CalCOFI 2011). This is up from the $7.89 million in 2009, and the previous high of $8.06 million set in 2006 (CalCOFI 2011).
The majority of the lobster caught in California is exported and shipped live (as they cannot be tailed for market) to Asian countries, particularly China, in the last several years (Barksy pers.comm. 2012).

Did you read that??? $11 Million in revenue, for 400 Metric Tonnes (881,848 lbs) of Lobster, most of which is being EXPORTED!!! You people gladly encourage exporting your resource meanwhile frown on a 75 year old guy keep 3 lobsters - 2 weeks out of season. THIS IS INSANE!!! THINK, IT AINT ILLEGAL YET!!

[jorluivil]

Just called the production line and talked to Smiling Mike, told him to get lines 3 and 4 going because we're gonna need more popcorn

[jorluivil]

Who's up for a friendly wager on how long it'll be before this thread gets closed?

[jruiz]

Originally Posted by jorluivil

Who's up for a friendly wager on how long it'll be before this thread gets closed?

Wouldn't that be by definition, violating their first amendment rights? I think moderators would be better off writing a letter to cease and desist under the guidelines that if they continue to violate forum policy that they may be within their rights to ban the individuals.

[Iceman]

I am going to ban the next person to post something stupid in this thread............ready Go!

[jorluivil]

Originally Posted by Iceman

I am going to ban the next person to post something stupid in this thread............ready Go!

Wait....what do you consider 'stupid'?

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by Wyota

Silbaugh,

If you are using the online links (looks like you used dictionary.com instead of Websters), as your example, then let's use the entire definitions

Further down in dictionary.com, it also states poach as a verb, that among others includes the definition "to take game or fish illegally".

At the Webster's link, it also states "also: to take game or fish illegally".

Let's not cherry pick parts of the definition, let's source the entire definition if we are going to use a dictionary as our source

Just on a historical note, both mention the word's origin in middle England. That helps explain the "landowner" part, because back then, the land and the game upon it belonged to the lord who owned the lands.

Looks like both Websters and dictionary.com have included the more modern definition of the term. Even Oxford dictionary from England has updated it to include "Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own, or in contravention of official protection." In this case, official protection would be the gamelaws.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poach
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/poaching
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/poach


And for the record, I deplore poachers of all types, both private and commercial. You see it all the time, folk with too many lobsters, too many fish, undersized fish. All because the either think the rules don't apply to them, or think that they are the exception. It is, pure and simple, a case of where there is no sense of community or tribe. Folks are out for what benefits them alone, and to heck with how it affects those to their left and their right.

You're absolutely right, if we're gonna mention illegal/ legal you can't ignore a law dictionary (blacks law).....

In English criminal law. The unlawful entry upon land for the purpose of taking or destroying game; the taking or destruction of game upon another's land, usually committed at night. Steph. Crim. Law 119, et seq.; - Sleph. Comm. 82.

Law Dictionary: What is POACHING? definition of POACHING (Black's Law Dictionary)

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