how big of a loop for dropper loop - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tamddo714 · 12-07-2015, 12:52 AM

when fishing deep for yellows or wsb how big of a loop do you prefer on a dropper loop set up thanks in advance

MITCHELL · 12-07-2015, 05:51 AM

I use a surgeons loop easiest to tie it held on a 60lb plus wsb and a black seabass this year...I put the loop about the height off my mouth standing up

Lipripper92592 · 12-07-2015, 11:07 AM

4-7'

Mr. NiceGuy · 12-07-2015, 02:00 PM

I like a surgeons loop too, for easily changing or removing a torpedo weight when my pole is out of the water so it's not knocking around.

From the weight loop, I run an 8" line of something like leftover 20-25# mono tied to a 3 way swivel at the end of my 65# braid. I like lighter line on my weight so I can break it off if I get stuck on something.

From the third swivel, I run out a fluorocarbon leader about the length of my pole. Personally, I like to use 25-35# Blackwater fluorocarbon shock leader for this purpose. It's a few dollars more, but I like the way it feels and performs. It stays straight and seems to be better in the nick and abrasion department. It's not an easy line to bite through. I've never had a knot failure.

That would be my heavy rig for bottom fishing in La Jolla.

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I bought a leader spool of 40# P-Line fluorocarbon at Dana Landing. Two of my knots have cracked with that leader so I think I'm going to toss it. I don't know if 40# P-Line fluoro is an inferior product or if I got a bad batch. Not sure about that. They are the same knots I always use so I don't think it's my knots.

tamddo714 · 12-08-2015, 03:05 AM

Appreciate the advice thanks fellas

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MITCHELL · 12-08-2015, 06:23 AM

From the torpedo weight up surgions loop so you can change out sinker 20lb.or what ever you got sliced in with uni back to back into 40lb.floro another surgions loop under 12ins or less mouth high for 7/0 off set aki twist long shank hook cause wsb have teeth then another 3 ft spliced into 65/85 lb braided line with a RP or John Collins knot same knot once again simplest to tie and strong I put a drop of zap a gap glue to protect it from pole guides I don't want to wined a swivel through my pole guides works for me ....

MITCHELL · 12-08-2015, 06:37 AM

Under a blood moon lunar eclipse 57ins long tail 11ins wide had to cut it up to weigh it .It was over 60lbs with blood loss

MITCHELL · 12-08-2015, 06:50 AM

If your rig is worth a shit or not when you bring a fish to gaff especially at night when you can't identity what you hooked
I lost a wsb ajusting my light you want to identify before you gaff make sure you can wined your rig up close enough for gaff

RookieYakker · 12-08-2015, 08:27 AM

What a whale! Thank you all for the advice!

chris138 · 12-08-2015, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MITCHELL

If your rig is worth a shit or not when you bring a fish to gaff especially at night when you can't identity what you hooked
I lost a wsb ajusting my light you want to identify before you gaff make sure you can wined your rig up close enough for gaff

You will know what your rig is worth when you snag the rocks on 50# flouro... Big cbass don't put up much of a fight

MITCHELL · 12-08-2015, 08:47 AM

One night a wsb pulled me in to another kayaker and he was fishing squid on iron we tangled and I kept winding my fish to gaff took my razor hook blade cut his jig off my line and handed it back to him you got to be ready at all times to cut your self out of the bite and nothing was lost

maquinapescado · 12-08-2015, 10:12 AM

Since everyone is on the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT99uNnVKH4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Xyax1OIXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0wsWn2NI8

Murray · 12-08-2015, 11:14 AM

cool videos, thanks for the post

maquinapescado · 12-08-2015, 11:17 AM

I have owned three of his books and passed them on and the funny thing is I think I am going to buy them again. Check these out. Really good books.

http://www.amazon.com/Private-Boater.../dp/0974673714

Murray · 12-08-2015, 11:25 AM

cool videos, thanks for the post

MITCHELL · 12-08-2015, 01:54 PM

Thanks for reminding me about the bottom don't forget bull kelp too I snapped two wall banger graphite rods snagged to the bottom one I sent back the other I made a gaff out of and I no put your rod between yours legs and paddle like hell and hope it comes loose that's why your looking at my heavy artillery and I don't boat fish anymore

surfisher · 12-08-2015, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian

I have owned three of his books and passed them on and the funny thing is I think I am going to buy them again. Check these out. Really good books.

http://www.amazon.com/Private-Boater.../dp/0974673714

Thanks for the links. Super cool information. The insidesportfishing clip is a cool one too!

MITCHELL · 12-10-2015, 04:18 AM

Good stuff thanks for the download...don't forget about the one with Brandon Hayward and the Danielson float and nail knot I don't no how to download it on my galexy s4
PS THE WSB about fought like a sob....even on a marlin pole....even though it was a short battle.

12-07-2015, 12:52 AM	#1
tamddo714 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 273	how big of a loop for dropper loop when fishing deep for yellows or wsb how big of a loop do you prefer on a dropper loop set up thanks in advance

12-07-2015, 05:51 AM	#2
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,277	make it to big and it will twist up I say 12ins and under.... I use a surgeons loop easiest to tie it held on a 60lb plus wsb and a black seabass this year...I put the loop about the height off my mouth standing up __________________ Duke Mitchell

12-07-2015, 02:00 PM	#4
Mr. NiceGuy Manic for Life Join Date: May 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 839	I like a surgeons loop too, for easily changing or removing a torpedo weight when my pole is out of the water so it's not knocking around. From the weight loop, I run an 8" line of something like leftover 20-25# mono tied to a 3 way swivel at the end of my 65# braid. I like lighter line on my weight so I can break it off if I get stuck on something. From the third swivel, I run out a fluorocarbon leader about the length of my pole. Personally, I like to use 25-35# Blackwater fluorocarbon shock leader for this purpose. It's a few dollars more, but I like the way it feels and performs. It stays straight and seems to be better in the nick and abrasion department. It's not an easy line to bite through. I've never had a knot failure. That would be my heavy rig for bottom fishing in La Jolla. --- I bought a leader spool of 40# P-Line fluorocarbon at Dana Landing. Two of my knots have cracked with that leader so I think I'm going to toss it. I don't know if 40# P-Line fluoro is an inferior product or if I got a bad batch. Not sure about that. They are the same knots I always use so I don't think it's my knots. __________________ Another ho-hum day in Paradise Last edited by Mr. NiceGuy; 12-07-2015 at 02:19 PM.

12-08-2015, 06:23 AM	#6
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,277	I don't use a swivel From the torpedo weight up surgions loop so you can change out sinker 20lb.or what ever you got sliced in with uni back to back into 40lb.floro another surgions loop under 12ins or less mouth high for 7/0 off set aki twist long shank hook cause wsb have teeth then another 3 ft spliced into 65/85 lb braided line with a RP or John Collins knot same knot once again simplest to tie and strong I put a drop of zap a gap glue to protect it from pole guides I don't want to wined a swivel through my pole guides works for me .... __________________ Duke Mitchell Last edited by MITCHELL; 12-08-2015 at 01:07 PM.

12-08-2015, 06:50 AM	#8
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,277	you will no..... If your rig is worth a shit or not when you bring a fish to gaff especially at night when you can't identity what you hooked I lost a wsb ajusting my light you want to identify before you gaff make sure you can wined your rig up close enough for gaff __________________ Duke Mitchell

12-07-2015, 11:07 AM	#3
Lipripper92592 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 516	4-7'

12-08-2015, 03:05 AM	#5
tamddo714 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 273	Appreciate the advice thanks fellas Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-08-2015, 08:27 AM	#9
RookieYakker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 130	What a whale! Thank you all for the advice!

12-08-2015, 10:12 AM	#12
maquinapescado Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 326	Since everyone is on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT99uNnVKH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Xyax1OIXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0wsWn2NI8 __________________ Climb, Surf, Fish, Repeat

12-08-2015, 11:14 AM	#13
Murray Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 326	cool videos, thanks for the post

12-08-2015, 11:17 AM	#14
maquinapescado Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 326	I have owned three of his books and passed them on and the funny thing is I think I am going to buy them again. Check these out. Really good books. http://www.amazon.com/Private-Boater.../dp/0974673714 __________________ Climb, Surf, Fish, Repeat

12-08-2015, 11:25 AM	#15
Murray Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 326	cool videos, thanks for the post

12-08-2015, 01:54 PM	#16
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,277	Thanks for reminding me about the bottom don't forget bull kelp too I snapped two wall banger graphite rods snagged to the bottom one I sent back the other I made a gaff out of and I no put your rod between yours legs and paddle like hell and hope it comes loose that's why your looking at my heavy artillery and I don't boat fish anymore __________________ Duke Mitchell Last edited by MITCHELL; 12-08-2015 at 02:05 PM.

12-10-2015, 04:18 AM	#18
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,277	great videos Good stuff thanks for the download...don't forget about the one with Brandon Hayward and the Danielson float and nail knot I don't no how to download it on my galexy s4 PS THE WSB about fought like a sob....even on a marlin pole....even though it was a short battle. __________________ Duke Mitchell Last edited by MITCHELL; 12-10-2015 at 04:27 AM.