Mission Bay, Dec 08

[fishthebreak]

Hey Harry, Thanks for the report! We need to get out in the water together again some day!

[mbsurf]

I'm sure the Jackson is amazing, but I have paddled the OK Malibu XL solo and with children for several years. I think it is amazing. And before I picked a Prowler this summer, I took it out in LJ several times and it's fine. I ran into an OK rep paddling one there too one day, and we both agreed it is great. I can stand on it easily in fresh water. No complaints about the tracking without rudder, acceptable in my book.

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by mbsurf

I'm sure the Jackson is amazing, but I have paddled the OK Malibu XL solo and with children for several years. I think it is amazing. And before I picked a Prowler this summer, I took it out in LJ several times and it's fine. I ran into an OK rep paddling one there too one day, and we both agreed it is great. I can stand on it easily in fresh water. No complaints about the tracking without rudder, acceptable in my book.

thanks for the input on the Malibu, I've decided that is probably my best bet. I can put my wife in the front seat and unless she turns around it will be just like riding the bicycle built for two, she'll never know if I'm paddling or not.

[Amish Ed]

Malibu II, or II XL?

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by Amish Ed

Malibu II, or II XL?

I think it is the 11XL but I have to call back and make sure, I know he said they don't carry the Angler anymore because they couldn't sell them.

[stoned-trout]

I wouldn't buy a kayak without being able to have a rudder,drop skeg...you don't appreciate them till its windy and your trollin

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by Amish Ed

Malibu II, or II XL?

okay, so the kayak they were showing me is the Malibu tandem, not the Ocean Kayak Malibu 11xl. I'm thinking they are pretty comparable but I could use some input from those who have owned them. The Malibu doesn't come with seats so when you start adding seats and hatches and the like it starts running the price up quite a bit.

[Dave Legacy]

Originally Posted by Harry Hill

okay, so the kayak they were showing me is the Malibu tandem, not the Ocean Kayak Malibu 11xl. I'm thinking they are pretty comparable but I could use some input from those who have owned them. The Malibu doesn't come with seats so when you start adding seats and hatches and the like it starts running the price up quite a bit.

Not coming with seats is kinda of the norm with kayaks not outfitted with framed seats. I might be able to provide you with a little GoPro footage so you can see for yourself how the Pro 2 Tandem tracks and such.

[Amish Ed]

Harry, the main difference between the Malibu II and the II xl is the weight capacity. Go to the ocean kayak website and compare them i'm sure there's more to it than that.

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by Dave Legacy

Not coming with seats is kinda of the norm with kayaks not outfitted with framed seats. I might be able to provide you with a little GoPro footage so you can see for yourself how the Pro 2 Tandem tracks and such.

Dave, if you have the video I would like to see it.

[Dave Legacy]

Originally Posted by Harry Hill

thanks for the input on the Malibu, I've decided that is probably my best bet. I can put my wife in the front seat and unless she turns around it will be just like riding the bicycle built for two, she'll never know if I'm paddling or not.

I'll tell you what is happening here, Harry. It's not your fault, but when having a tandem discussion one has to be cautious about how the word "Malibu" is used. Ocean Kayak manufactures the Malibu II and Malibu II XL. Malibu Kayaks manufactures the "Pro 2 Tandem". Initially I assumed that you were looking at the OK Malibu Series (especially after referencing the Angler model), but a couple posts later it seems you MIGHT also be referencing the Malibu Kayaks P2T?

Who's on first? =)

[Iceman]

I'll tell you what is happening here, Harry. It's not your fault, but when having a tandem discussion one has to be cautious about how the word "Malibu" is used. Ocean Kayak manufactures the Malibu II and Malibu II XL. Malibu Kayaks manufactures the "Pro 2 Tandem". Initially I assumed that you were looking at the OK Malibu Series (especially after referencing the Angler model), but a couple posts later it seems you MIGHT also be referencing the Malibu Kayaks P2T?

Who's on first? =)

Happens to me a lot. Especially if people think "ocean kayak" as a type rather than a brand.

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by Dave Legacy

I'll tell you what is happening here, Harry. It's not your fault, but when having a tandem discussion one has to be cautious about how the word "Malibu" is used. Ocean Kayak manufactures the Malibu II and Malibu II XL. Malibu Kayaks manufactures the "Pro 2 Tandem". Initially I assumed that you were looking at the OK Malibu Series (especially after referencing the Angler model), but a couple posts later it seems you MIGHT also be referencing the Malibu Kayaks P2T?

Who's on first? =)

I was confused, it isn't easy when you don't know there is a difference, Ocean Kayaks Malibu, or Malibu Kayaks. If I can't make myself clear how can anyone else understand what I'm asking? Then I ask a sales guy about the angler while looking at the Malibu and he's telling me they don't sell the angler any more because people want to do their own set ups, when what he should have said is they don't sell the Ocean Kayaks Malibu 11 xl angler at all. I just hope I make the right choice with the Malibu Pro 2 tandem.

[alanw]

Get the Jackson

[Harry Hill]

The Jackson is a beauty, its also four times more. I'm an old retired guy who is trying to learn how to live on a much restricted budget. There are a lot of things I can do with the difference in cost, like buy a good FF and VHF radio and other important things. I'm still not going out in the open ocean because of a lack of equipment. So there are things more important to me than having the cream of the crop. I'm happy for those who can go that route but it isn't me right now.