Paddle and Pedal Speed

[alanw]

The energy needed to increase speed is exponential, like Mr. Nice Guy said. For my wide kayak, to go from an easy 2mph paddle up to 3mph might take a little bit of effort, but to go from 3mph up to 4mph might take so much extra effort that it's not practical for anything other than short bursts.

Look for a yak with a fast hull speed if you're concerned about speed and distance. A PA probably isn't it.

[ful-rac]

For whatever reason PAs are fast...especially with the new drive. It's not a problem keeping a 3-3.5 knot average speed at all. In fact I can go 4+ knots and maintain that speed for quite awhile. You can do short bursts of speed over 5 knots as well if you need to. It's really amazing...as big and as heavy a PA is, it can really move.

[maquinapescado]

Thanks a lot guys. I am definitely dead set on the PA, I was just wondering if there was a real dramatic difference. Speed isn't a soul contributing factor to the purchase. In fact, it is probably a few clicks down the list. If the PA was not capable of maintaining 2.5-3 mph I would still get it.

Do most of you strictly use the drive while in transit or do you compensate with a few paddles? Example; if you have a specific way point such as a squid nest that you re going to rather than trolling on your transit offshore.

[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by brian

Thanks a lot guys. I am definitely dead set on the PA, I was just wondering if there was a real dramatic difference. Speed isn't a soul contributing factor to the purchase. In fact, it is probably a few clicks down the list. If the PA was not capable of maintaining 2.5-3 mph I would still get it.

Do most of you strictly use the drive while in transit or do you compensate with a few paddles? Example; if you have a specific way point such as a squid nest that you re going to rather than trolling on your transit offshore.

PA is a great kayak/Boat, make sure to get the 14...cause if your gonna get the PA you might as well get the PA...Unless you have transport or storage issues.

[Cadillyak]

Originally Posted by ful-rac

PA is a great kayak/Boat, make sure to get the 14...cause if your gonna get the PA you might as well get the PA...Unless you have transport or storage issues.

Well I have storage issues thus my PA12. If u can, def go 14! I love my 12 though. So much that I've never taken out my outback.

[YakDout]

Originally Posted by brian

Thanks a lot guys. I am definitely dead set on the PA, I was just wondering if there was a real dramatic difference. Speed isn't a soul contributing factor to the purchase. In fact, it is probably a few clicks down the list. If the PA was not capable of maintaining 2.5-3 mph I would still get it.



Do most of you strictly use the drive while in transit or do you compensate with a few paddles? Example; if you have a specific way point such as a squid nest that you re going to rather than trolling on your transit offshore.

Paddling and PA dont work in the same sentence.

[Dannowar]

Don't be lazy.

[maquinapescado]

Originally Posted by YakDout

Paddling and PA dont work in the same sentence.

I kind of figured that, second to their width and seat height. Thanks

[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by brian

I kind of figured that, second to their width and seat height. Thanks

Contrary to what yakdout says....you can paddle a PA. I paddle it on almost every trip...I've paddled it for short distances long distances...it's not a paddlers kayak, and it's not represented as such. In the event of a mirage drive failure or an emergency...you can paddle it just fine...or is it PEDDLE?

[Mr. NiceGuy]

Beware of the peddlephiles

[TJones]

any reasonable offer will be considered .

[Mr. NiceGuy]

Originally Posted by brian

If the PA was not capable of maintaining 2.5-3 mph I would still get it.

These are reasonable speeds and expectations, but so much of it depends on you.

For your first test ride you might feel spent and cramped peddling out to the kelp beds and back.

Endurance builds fast, especially the muscle groups you will be using for a Hobie. By the end of a season you will acclimate and basically be able to pedal and fish for as long as you like. Sprints have their limits, but you will quickly learn how to pace yourself and rest or recoup your energy while you are cruising easy. Other factors play a more important role in following any particular time schedule.

When it comes to planning time, speed and distance covered, remember the story about the tortoise and the hare. Building your personal endurance, logging time on the water under divergent conditions, understanding and predicting weather and water conditions, and other kinds of accumulated skill sets are more important than focusing on any particular average mph the boat itself might be capable of doing.

I do not have vast amounts of experience in a kayak, to say the least, but I've been a pilot for many years and many of the same forces of nature apply.

Generally speaking, I seem to be significantly faster in my Outback than most of the paddle kayaks around me. However, some kayaks are magnificently streamlined and low drag. For fishing, there are lots of other trade-offs. I've seen guys in PA's around me sprinting and casting into boils with plenty of finesse and maneuverability.

[RockyRaab]

I've clocked my PA-14 many times and find that a 3.5 mph cruise takes just about the same effort as walking that same speed. In fact the "foot speed" is about the same for both. If you watch very closely you'll note that your trailing foot moves at almost exactly water speed - in other words, your foot will stay right next to some bit of flotsam in the water as that foot comes backward in the stroke.

I don't peddle kayaks, but I do pedal them. And I know the difference.

[ful-rac]

Originally Posted by RockyRaab

I've clocked my PA-14 many times and find that a 3.5 mph cruise takes just about the same effort as walking that same speed. In fact the "foot speed" is about the same for both. If you watch very closely you'll note that your trailing foot moves at almost exactly water speed - in other words, your foot will stay right next to some bit of flotsam in the water as that foot comes backward in the stroke.

I don't peddle kayaks, but I do pedal them. And I know the difference.

Why does peddle - pedal bother you so much anyway...? Who cares! So you know the difference....Good for you!

[Cadillyak]

Originally Posted by Mr. NiceGuy

These are reasonable speeds and expectations, but so much of it depends on you.

For your first test ride you might feel spent and cramped peddling out to the kelp beds and back.

Endurance builds fast, especially the muscle groups you will be using for a Hobie. By the end of a season you will acclimate and basically be able to pedal and fish for as long as you like. Sprints have their limits, but you will quickly learn how to pace yourself and rest or recoup your energy while you are cruising easy. Other factors play a more important role in following any particular time schedule.

When it comes to planning time, speed and distance covered, remember the story about the tortoise and the hare. Building your personal endurance, logging time on the water under divergent conditions, understanding and predicting weather and water conditions, and other kinds of accumulated skill sets are more important than focusing on any particular average mph the boat itself might be capable of doing.

I do not have vast amounts of experience in a kayak, to say the least, but I've been a pilot for many years and many of the same forces of nature apply.

Generally speaking, I seem to be significantly faster in my Outback than most of the paddle kayaks around me. However, some kayaks are magnificently streamlined and low drag. For fishing, there are lots of other trade-offs. I've seen guys in PA's around me sprinting and casting into boils with plenty of finesse and maneuverability.

^x2. Muscle memory is crazy. I used to get so fatigued and sore in the bay. The more u go, the better the endurance. I now feel like I can fish with my hearts content and not worry about fatigue!