!!!MLPA reserve process coming to SoCal in 2008 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

ericbach · 01-20-2008, 01:44 PM

Maybe we should all just boycott the DFG Officers at the launch sites when they ask us all these questions about how the fishing was. They will just use this info as ammunition against all of us. Just say you did not see any action and let them think we never catch anything anyway.

psudocromis · 01-20-2008, 11:48 PM

Slot limits slot limits slot limits,

All the MLA process does is save fish in one area and force people to fish in other areas. at least slot limits would preserve the breeding stock, increese the amount of fish released and improve the fishery all around.

For example current DFG regs limits catch size to the age of the fish for beeding size to allow them to breed atleast once.

Bass 12in make slot limit 14-17in
Halibuts 22in make slot 24-28in
WSB 28in make slot 30-38in
YT 26-32in (not sure what breeding YT size is)

Lets the fish get to breeding size, and saves the older breeding fish. this reg can also be counter acted by reducing catch size.... do you really need to keep 10 bass and 5 hali's in one trip?

madscientist · 01-22-2008, 11:20 AM

Slot limits might work for bass but they are highly impractical for the bigger fish.

YT are very migratory, grow like weeds, and the recreational anglers are not putting that much pressure on them. No need for slot limits there. Commercial pressure in Mexico is the probably the biggest threat our YT populations face.

WSB seem to be doing very well with the limited commercial pressure and the Hubbs restocking programs. It is also not easy to C&R big WSB, so you'd end up killing a lot of big ones anyway.

Not sure what the data says about halibut, but that range of slot limits seem more appropriate for the bays. I'd hate to not be able to target the big flatties in the ocean. Also requires netting of big fish, which carries a lot or risk to the fish and becomes somewhat self defeating.

It would be a huge pain in the ass to have to measure big fish on the yak. The YT and halibut bag limits are way over what a yakker typical catches, so I'm ambivalent on those. Very few yakkers I know take more than a couple bass at a time, if any. But I suspect the party boats are the ones most interested in maintaining the current 10 fish limit, since that's their bread and butter a lot of the time.

dgax65 · 04-02-2008, 08:00 PM

Here are some useful links if you want to find out more about marine reserve/marine protected area design and effectiveness.

Ghost Forests in the Sea: The Use of Marine Protected Areas to Restore Biodiversity to Kelp Forest Ecosystems in Southern California

Effectiveness of a Samll Marine Reserve in Southern Caliofrnia

The San Diego-La Jolla Ecological Reserve:Implications for the Design and Management of Marine Reserves

Ed Parnell, PhD., one of the authors and an ocean ecology researcher at SIO, spoke to members of the San Diego Oceans Foundation last Wednesday. It is likely that he will have some input into the SoCal MPA process. Based on his presentation and additional material that he provided, I created a map in Google Earth showing his proposed MPA for La Jolla. NOTE; THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED MPA. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL BE THE FINAL PRODUCT OF THE SOCAL MLPA PROCESS.

The upper shaded area is the current La Jolla State Marine Conservation Area. The lower shaded area is the proposed MPA. The proposed area is bounded by Law St. on the south end and Palomar on the north. The southern leg is approximately 2.9 miles and ends in about 45 fathoms of water; the north side is 2.4 miles long and ends near the 50 fathom contour line. Here is the source map.

01-22-2008, 11:20 AM	#3
madscientist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,906	Slot limits might work for bass but they are highly impractical for the bigger fish. YT are very migratory, grow like weeds, and the recreational anglers are not putting that much pressure on them. No need for slot limits there. Commercial pressure in Mexico is the probably the biggest threat our YT populations face. WSB seem to be doing very well with the limited commercial pressure and the Hubbs restocking programs. It is also not easy to C&R big WSB, so you'd end up killing a lot of big ones anyway. Not sure what the data says about halibut, but that range of slot limits seem more appropriate for the bays. I'd hate to not be able to target the big flatties in the ocean. Also requires netting of big fish, which carries a lot or risk to the fish and becomes somewhat self defeating. It would be a huge pain in the ass to have to measure big fish on the yak. The YT and halibut bag limits are way over what a yakker typical catches, so I'm ambivalent on those. Very few yakkers I know take more than a couple bass at a time, if any. But I suspect the party boats are the ones most interested in maintaining the current 10 fish limit, since that's their bread and butter a lot of the time. __________________

04-02-2008, 08:00 PM	#4
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	Marine Protected Area/Reserve info Here are some useful links if you want to find out more about marine reserve/marine protected area design and effectiveness. Ghost Forests in the Sea: The Use of Marine Protected Areas to Restore Biodiversity to Kelp Forest Ecosystems in Southern California Effectiveness of a Samll Marine Reserve in Southern Caliofrnia The San Diego-La Jolla Ecological Reserve:Implications for the Design and Management of Marine Reserves Ed Parnell, PhD., one of the authors and an ocean ecology researcher at SIO, spoke to members of the San Diego Oceans Foundation last Wednesday. It is likely that he will have some input into the SoCal MPA process. Based on his presentation and additional material that he provided, I created a map in Google Earth showing his proposed MPA for La Jolla. NOTE; THIS IS JUST A PROPOSED MPA. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL BE THE FINAL PRODUCT OF THE SOCAL MLPA PROCESS. The upper shaded area is the current La Jolla State Marine Conservation Area. The lower shaded area is the proposed MPA. The proposed area is bounded by Law St. on the south end and Palomar on the north. The southern leg is approximately 2.9 miles and ends in about 45 fathoms of water; the north side is 2.4 miles long and ends near the 50 fathom contour line. Here is the source map. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

01-20-2008, 01:44 PM	#1
ericbach Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2	Maybe we should all just boycott the DFG Officers at the launch sites when they ask us all these questions about how the fishing was. They will just use this info as ammunition against all of us. Just say you did not see any action and let them think we never catch anything anyway.

01-20-2008, 11:48 PM	#2
psudocromis Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	Slot limits slot limits slot limits, All the MLA process does is save fish in one area and force people to fish in other areas. at least slot limits would preserve the breeding stock, increese the amount of fish released and improve the fishery all around. For example current DFG regs limits catch size to the age of the fish for beeding size to allow them to breed atleast once. Bass 12in make slot limit 14-17in Halibuts 22in make slot 24-28in WSB 28in make slot 30-38in YT 26-32in (not sure what breeding YT size is) Lets the fish get to breeding size, and saves the older breeding fish. this reg can also be counter acted by reducing catch size.... do you really need to keep 10 bass and 5 hali's in one trip?