LJ 10/2 am DOGGED - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Tman · 10-03-2007, 05:59 PM

I am of the opinion that if you were to do that to big 'ol knothead, that would just piss him off that much more.
Liking the laxatives though. Maybe some antacids are in order.

wavster · 10-03-2007, 09:59 PM

Speaking of paintballs, I've seen the New Seaforth with a semi-automatic paintball
gun, just blasting away at knothead when they're hitting the YT.

I can't wait to get hit with one of those...

Sherm · 10-04-2007, 08:28 AM

Paintballs work better when they are frozen

I hit ol knothead a while back with the wrist rocket. He went on to another yaker. He doesn't have a good memory though as he came back and got my macs when I paddled back past his area.

Maybe I'll bring the painball gun next time.

bjoseph · 10-04-2007, 03:16 PM

I have had the good fortune, or bad, to work with captive sea lions as an animal keeper and veterinarian for 30 years. They are quick learners if some kind of negative reinforcement is immediately paired with what they are doing, but it has to be consistent and immediate. So, if everyone could do something aversive the minute they swiped a bait from us, they would do the math and learn not to do it. However, they are really good mathematicians and always weigh odds and cost benefit. If they steal bait successfully 50 times and have something unfortunate happen once, they keep doing it. The problem with causing some unpleasant physiological event for them by giving them a "treat" (I could name some possibilities) in a fish is that it takes too long to take effect. It is like having tacos at Robertos. They taste fine, you're sick later, but you might not attribute the sickness to Robertos, so you keep going back.

Matt · 10-04-2007, 06:58 PM

I have had a few baits stolen over the years, and I have always thought of it as a form of paying taxes. Sea lions are annoying, seals never seem to bother me or my baits, it sucks for sure when you lose a fish to one, but hey ya gotta pay to play is the way I look at it.

Matt

sbsyncro · 10-06-2007, 07:27 AM

When I was a kid growing up in Monterey, I had a friend who's family were commercial fishermen. Believe it or not, the DFG used to supply them with something we called "seal bombs" which were basically M-80 explosives that were completely waterproof and would continue burning (and explode) under water. Apparently they were designed to scare off the furbags before they brought in their nets.

They also happened to work really well when flushed down the toilets of the high school gym......

Just found this link on legal deterrence of pinnipeds (knotheads, furbags, sea dogs)
http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Marine-Mamma...-Pinnipeds.cfm

Apparently you can use forceful methods of deterrence as long as you don't:
1. break their skin
2. aim at their eyes or heads
3. disturb them from a position hauled out on rocks or beach

So, technically using a "seal bomb" would be legal to protect your catch or your gear, but I'll bet that possessing them is illegal for non-commercial fishermen (classic catch-22)

stevo · 10-06-2007, 08:06 AM

Wrist Rocket: 10 bucks at Walmart.
Misc nuts from bolts collected over the years and bam you keep em at bay.

10-03-2007, 05:59 PM	#1
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	I am of the opinion that if you were to do that to big 'ol knothead, that would just piss him off that much more. Liking the laxatives though. Maybe some antacids are in order. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-04-2007, 06:58 PM	#5
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	taxation I have had a few baits stolen over the years, and I have always thought of it as a form of paying taxes. Sea lions are annoying, seals never seem to bother me or my baits, it sucks for sure when you lose a fish to one, but hey ya gotta pay to play is the way I look at it. Matt

10-03-2007, 09:59 PM	#2
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	Speaking of paintballs, I've seen the New Seaforth with a semi-automatic paintball gun, just blasting away at knothead when they're hitting the YT. I can't wait to get hit with one of those...

10-04-2007, 08:28 AM	#3
Sherm Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 490	Paintballs work better when they are frozen I hit ol knothead a while back with the wrist rocket. He went on to another yaker. He doesn't have a good memory though as he came back and got my macs when I paddled back past his area. Maybe I'll bring the painball gun next time.

10-04-2007, 03:16 PM	#4
bjoseph Junior Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: escondido Posts: 13	I have had the good fortune, or bad, to work with captive sea lions as an animal keeper and veterinarian for 30 years. They are quick learners if some kind of negative reinforcement is immediately paired with what they are doing, but it has to be consistent and immediate. So, if everyone could do something aversive the minute they swiped a bait from us, they would do the math and learn not to do it. However, they are really good mathematicians and always weigh odds and cost benefit. If they steal bait successfully 50 times and have something unfortunate happen once, they keep doing it. The problem with causing some unpleasant physiological event for them by giving them a "treat" (I could name some possibilities) in a fish is that it takes too long to take effect. It is like having tacos at Robertos. They taste fine, you're sick later, but you might not attribute the sickness to Robertos, so you keep going back.

10-06-2007, 07:27 AM	#6
sbsyncro Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 80	When I was a kid growing up in Monterey, I had a friend who's family were commercial fishermen. Believe it or not, the DFG used to supply them with something we called "seal bombs" which were basically M-80 explosives that were completely waterproof and would continue burning (and explode) under water. Apparently they were designed to scare off the furbags before they brought in their nets. They also happened to work really well when flushed down the toilets of the high school gym...... Just found this link on legal deterrence of pinnipeds (knotheads, furbags, sea dogs) http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Marine-Mamma...-Pinnipeds.cfm Apparently you can use forceful methods of deterrence as long as you don't: 1. break their skin 2. aim at their eyes or heads 3. disturb them from a position hauled out on rocks or beach So, technically using a "seal bomb" would be legal to protect your catch or your gear, but I'll bet that possessing them is illegal for non-commercial fishermen (classic catch-22)

10-06-2007, 08:06 AM	#7
stevo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oceanside Posts: 26	Wrist Rocket: 10 bucks at Walmart. Misc nuts from bolts collected over the years and bam you keep em at bay.