TJ carjackings - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Matt · 09-05-2007, 05:22 AM

Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea". Mexico can be a wonderful place and it can be an awful place just like here! Stay safe and travel in groups or caravans and don't be a jerk, and the chances are that you will be fairly safe, bad stuff happening is always a possibility everywhere, not just in mexico!

aguachico · 09-05-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea".

Matt normally I would agree with the intent of your message. Most yakers are aware of the pros and cons of traveling in baja. This situation is not typical, but very dangerous. You can not say just be a good gringo and it will be fine. This is serious.

No, mex1 between Tj and Maneadero is NOT safer than the USA. Sorry. I'm not bashing the Mexcan people, but the crystal has made it very difficult to let your guard down. I'm not too concerned with federales and policia looking for mordidas. These are armed robbers that will kill you - game over.

Sure this happens all over the US, but we are talking a 70 mile stretch of highway. There's no way this type of activity would continue in the USA for a few weeks as well as the decades it has occurred in Baja.

This is not a issue of race, believe I'm the first one to call "a spade a spade" - I belive it is a drug problem affecting an entire area.

wavster · 09-05-2007, 06:54 AM

I'm concerned about this, but here's an idea that I'd like feedback on:

If one is travelling along that route and sees flashing lights, how difficult would it
be to continue driving until you are at a well lit area (like the 1st toll both out of TJ)?

Before people start flaming me, I'm looking for serious suggestions, not unrealistic approaches.

If it's a real cop, would they understand? If it's a bandito, would they go away?
Or would either run you off the road, then take your stuff?

Just wondering...

Matt · 09-05-2007, 06:59 AM

Hey Art,

I definitely agree with you, and all I was trying to say is that by being a "good gringo" you lessen the chances of bad stuff happening to you. I totally agree with you that crystal/crack/ice or "drugs" in general are definitely taking a toll on the region. All I am trying to say is everyone please be careful, do what you can to lessen your chances of having bad shit happen to you, it sounds like the guys who got hit in the bloodydecks story were hit by some pretty pro guys who were waiting for them, everyone just be safe! The area around where all the wsb are being caught has been notorious amongst my surfer friends as being a dangerous place, however I myself have never had a bad experience in that particular region, although I do have some pretty crazy secondhand stories regarding it(just check out The Darkhorse's august sub). So everyone please be as safe as you can.

Hey Dave, in my experience real cops have real cop cars, running from the cops isn't a good idea in any country and is probably a really bad idea in Mex. As far as the unmarked policia especial cars.....I say follow your instincts.....

Matt

wavster · 09-05-2007, 07:25 AM

Matt, I agree with not "running". I guess I was thinking more of a slow and steady drive
to a well populated area. Kind of like the "old lady not knowing she's being pulled over" scenario.

It would be nice if someone finds this story in print (vs. Internet). I'm not questioning
the validity, but it may help a cop understand if you pulled over in population
vs. stopping in the middle of no where...

...or one could just where running shoes in case it's a long walk home.

aguachico · 09-05-2007, 07:28 AM

Dave;
yea I will not stop in a remote area for an unmarked car. I've never been pulled over while driving by an unmarked car or the AFI. I would proceed to the playas stay on the main road. The station is near the sports stadium.

No I have never been arrested there

Or go to the toll booth. Proceed at a safe legal speed. Your cell phone will be on Telcel GSM - dial ?660? for emergnecy and explain the situation.

Matt;
My heart goes out to the hard working people of Baja. The cristal is rotting away the small amount of dignity left in such a poor country. Soon these dopers will start ripping off the pesos of the poor.

I've been fotunate in my Baja travels, sometimes my complacency is rocked back into check by stories like these.

I just got word from my friend that this happened to a relative that lives in TJ 3 weeks ago. This type of crime goes mainly unreported. I would guess because of embarrassment.

FISHIONADO · 09-05-2007, 10:18 AM

More details..

http://www.surfline.com/surfnews/surfwire.cfm?id=10923#

crzyboy180 · 09-05-2007, 11:29 AM

That road there seems to always have issues every few years. Its true that right now there is another cartel trying to move in and things are gonna get worse for a while. Its a crzy cycle.
I know my way around TJ and there is a few better routes to get to rosarito then thru Playas. One goes right by the Zona Rio and the other is "la 5 y 10" way. I know its not much help if you dont know but thats how we all get there from the city. That north end of town is trouble.

If that helps.
Joe

Ojos_raros · 09-05-2007, 12:12 PM

thats some scary shit. good summary on surfline, felt like I was right there.

Car theft has been going on there for many years. It actually happenned to me bout 12 years ago in Ensenada except no guns. We had parked downtown in a dimly lit, unguarded parking lot to play some pool. We werent in there for more than an hour. When I came out, my Toyota truck, surfboards and camping stuff inside was all gone. I was with friends so we made three different reports at all the right stations - why? I knew I would never see that car again. Never did either.

Someone needs to invent a device with a hidden switch connected to the fuel line that cuts the flow immediately - you'd make a million

09-05-2007, 05:22 AM	#1
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea". Mexico can be a wonderful place and it can be an awful place just like here! Stay safe and travel in groups or caravans and don't be a jerk, and the chances are that you will be fairly safe, bad stuff happening is always a possibility everywhere, not just in mexico!

09-05-2007, 06:54 AM	#3
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	I'm concerned about this, but here's an idea that I'd like feedback on: If one is travelling along that route and sees flashing lights, how difficult would it be to continue driving until you are at a well lit area (like the 1st toll both out of TJ)? Before people start flaming me, I'm looking for serious suggestions, not unrealistic approaches. If it's a real cop, would they understand? If it's a bandito, would they go away? Or would either run you off the road, then take your stuff? Just wondering...

09-05-2007, 06:59 AM	#4
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Hey Art, I definitely agree with you, and all I was trying to say is that by being a "good gringo" you lessen the chances of bad stuff happening to you. I totally agree with you that crystal/crack/ice or "drugs" in general are definitely taking a toll on the region. All I am trying to say is everyone please be careful, do what you can to lessen your chances of having bad shit happen to you, it sounds like the guys who got hit in the bloodydecks story were hit by some pretty pro guys who were waiting for them, everyone just be safe! The area around where all the wsb are being caught has been notorious amongst my surfer friends as being a dangerous place, however I myself have never had a bad experience in that particular region, although I do have some pretty crazy secondhand stories regarding it(just check out The Darkhorse's august sub). So everyone please be as safe as you can. Hey Dave, in my experience real cops have real cop cars, running from the cops isn't a good idea in any country and is probably a really bad idea in Mex. As far as the unmarked policia especial cars.....I say follow your instincts..... Matt

09-05-2007, 07:25 AM	#5
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	Matt, I agree with not "running". I guess I was thinking more of a slow and steady drive to a well populated area. Kind of like the "old lady not knowing she's being pulled over" scenario. It would be nice if someone finds this story in print (vs. Internet). I'm not questioning the validity, but it may help a cop understand if you pulled over in population vs. stopping in the middle of no where... ...or one could just where running shoes in case it's a long walk home.

09-05-2007, 07:28 AM	#6
aguachico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 719	Dave; yea I will not stop in a remote area for an unmarked car. I've never been pulled over while driving by an unmarked car or the AFI. I would proceed to the playas stay on the main road. The station is near the sports stadium. No I have never been arrested there Or go to the toll booth. Proceed at a safe legal speed. Your cell phone will be on Telcel GSM - dial ?660? for emergnecy and explain the situation. Matt; My heart goes out to the hard working people of Baja. The cristal is rotting away the small amount of dignity left in such a poor country. Soon these dopers will start ripping off the pesos of the poor. I've been fotunate in my Baja travels, sometimes my complacency is rocked back into check by stories like these. I just got word from my friend that this happened to a relative that lives in TJ 3 weeks ago. This type of crime goes mainly unreported. I would guess because of embarrassment.

09-05-2007, 10:18 AM	#7
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	More details.. http://www.surfline.com/surfnews/surfwire.cfm?id=10923#

09-05-2007, 11:29 AM	#8
crzyboy180 Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 20	That road there seems to always have issues every few years. Its true that right now there is another cartel trying to move in and things are gonna get worse for a while. Its a crzy cycle. I know my way around TJ and there is a few better routes to get to rosarito then thru Playas. One goes right by the Zona Rio and the other is "la 5 y 10" way. I know its not much help if you dont know but thats how we all get there from the city. That north end of town is trouble. If that helps. Joe

09-05-2007, 12:12 PM	#9
Ojos_raros Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 124	thats some scary shit. good summary on surfline, felt like I was right there. Car theft has been going on there for many years. It actually happenned to me bout 12 years ago in Ensenada except no guns. We had parked downtown in a dimly lit, unguarded parking lot to play some pool. We werent in there for more than an hour. When I came out, my Toyota truck, surfboards and camping stuff inside was all gone. I was with friends so we made three different reports at all the right stations - why? I knew I would never see that car again. Never did either. Someone needs to invent a device with a hidden switch connected to the fuel line that cuts the flow immediately - you'd make a million