6/05 AM

[Corey]

Originally Posted by tptrench

Contact Ken Franke of the harbor police. I reported asshole Jason a couple of years ago for similar incidents and he had to cut bait for awhile. I had the New Seaforth come way to close yesterday. Those guys have no respect for us. Ken owns the Outer Limits out of Seaforth. He contacted Voaklander and that helped for awhile. What can we do? I'm really sick of what's happening out there!!!! TP

That's a good tip. I'd reccommend that everyone effected by an incidedent make a seperate call to the CG and Harbor Police every time something happens with those pricks. They won't be able to ignore it then.

[Corey]

I like Art's idea too, except lets skip the puking and just throw the asshole overboard.

And Dave, I'll go with ya.

BTW, I'll see the pm shift out there tonight.

[Dan]

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

[Sherm]

Originally Posted by Dan

On a side note, Knothead is now sporting a new white Tady on his back

Great job That bastard is probably still digesting my YT from Saturday.

[h2ofishfo]

i have fished on the new seaforths 3/4 day boat the dude would cut peoples lobster trap bouys & wake people he doesnt care bout nuttin f him

[fishkiller89]

i agree

[Brian Sanner]

I like Wavsters idea of photo documentation,....seeing is believing, especially when brought to the C.G. and the landing. I would love to see his stupid face poking out the window as he attempts to swamp me and throw a egg right in his dumb pie hole. He did the exact same thing to me in 2005. Not sure if it was the same captain but it's like a prerequesite for any one who drives their boats I guess. They should have a banner across the window of the wheel house saying "total disregard for human life and safety training boat". Sooner than later, it's going to catch up to him in a big way.

[Kelp King]

Do you guys ever fire off a jig towards a sportie when they buzz you like that? That would be the first thing I would do. It may not be the "proper" way to handle the situation, but it would get the point across.

[wildcat]

I thought JIm Hughes owner the outer limits and worked for the CG??? I am pretty sure about that but not 100%...Those guys have been doing that to everybody for years...

[THE DARKHORSE]

The iron is a Salas 7X and has been a favorite of mine for a season or two who ever is able to remove the lance from the rock will be rewarded by the bounty of the sea. I have a busted up hand to prove it as I was trying to keep him from spooling me with 40# Izorline and a newly broken Toriam 20 anti-reverse.

[Brad Wells]

The a-hole on the seaforth zipped right up to some of us kayakers on Sunday and drops anchor. 5 minutes later a couple pbers pull up and start fishing near him. He gets on the PA and gives them crap for following him. Maybe we should all have bullhorns and yell at him. If anyone asks, I always recommend boats out of Dana Point. I'm up for puking in his tackle box or hiding dead squid in places they won't find them, let me know. Maybe we can all book spots on weekend trips and not show up.

[tattuna]

Wow! I'm surprised to hear the New Seaforth is doing that. I tattoo RJ and he's said he has nothing but respect for us out there on kayaks. I wonder if he's been driving the boat? I'm gonna call him and see what the deal is.

[Guyak]

Maybe the captains are pissed that are their ex-clients decided to buy kayaks and actually catch big fish rather than the occasional calico, sandie, and baracuda How many 30+ lb WSB's are those guys pulling in?

On a serious note, I have not yet had the experience of getting buzzed, but I typically stay away from them when I can. They rarely stay in one place long. If they do come my way the camera will be ready. I would be hard pressed not to throw a their way.

I am a real mellow guy, but when it comes to the safety of myself, family, and others I have a real problem with that.

I say we just watch each others backs, get the cameras out, and continue to report these jerks. Just like they stopped the people from jumping off the cliffs at La Jolla by patrolling, it will not take long for someone with the proper authority to witness one of these events and take the appropriate action. In fact I would like to put one of the CG guys in a yak for a couple of weekends to see what happens.

Just a thought.

[cioppino]

This is not merely a kayak only affair. The sporties have equal angst against all small craft in LJ and rightly so IMO. I have worked for Tim V. many moons ago and have seen first hand what pBers and yakkers do to the sporties while they sit on anchor chumming up seals and a few fish if they are lucky. More often than not some fukin jackass thinks its okay to come within spitting distance and fishes off the bow, down the side, and through the chum line in the stern.

It gets old real quick. While they should never charge down on someone I can understand their motovation and anger. Those of us that know better need to inform others about some basic fishing etiquette. Example--Fishing with a friend who is new to being a weekend captain. He thinks its okay to fish right on top of the sportie. I told him this is a baaad idea and that if I wanted to fish that boats chum line I would have bought a ticket. He truly thought it was okay. I had to stop fishing to get my point across. He finally moved off the sportie and we found plenty of our own fish. Point is there are tons of guys like this and the sporties get sick of it.

They are out there every single day working and dealing with moochers in their chum slicks and people fishing waaaaayy too close to their boat. It happens in LJ, Pt loma, and the islands. Novice boaters who cant find their own fish get under the skin of captains who eventually let off a little steam and mess with a small craft or yakker. Its unfortunate and its one of those two wrongs dont make a right kinda situation.

What can be done about it? Reporting it is great. If it turns out to be a few asshole captains then the problem will be temporarily solved. Another approach would be to pass along some basic rules of the sea to our fellow kayakers and small craft weekend captains. If we respect the sport boats fishing space as well as other private boaters and yakkers fishing space things like this would not happen and fishing out there would be more enjoyable.

Find your own fish and fish with respect for others space.


....and those boats dont idle at 7knts. They cruise at 7 to 10knts and can easily idle slower and produce little to no wake. How fast are they going when making a chum circle and how much wake is there? Trying to say the the boat idles at seven kts is a weak agrument to the large wake that swamps kayakers they get way tooo close to. They can slow down and should when approaching small craft at sea. From their vantage point they can see everything clearly and should navagate with caution and respect for others.

the end

[shogan]

Used to defend the occasional incident given I used to fish and scrub on those boats and I know how hard it is to swing a 95 foot boat on the anchor. I always stay well out of casting range and paddle way around them even if they are setting anchor near where I am making bait or fishing.

My perspecitive changed last season when I had carefully stayed out of the way of the Dolphin, but the Dolphin clearly when out of it's way after pulling anchor to charge right up behind me before turning. It was so close it wraped my trolling lines on it's prop, spinning my yak violently. I called the landing immediately as I still know the number and told them what happened and asked them to tell the owner and the skipper what they had just done to one of their customers. Wish I had called my buddy who was a high level Coast Guard Master Cheif in San Diego at the time. The Dolphin was cool around us all on Saturday AM from what I saw. If that shyte happens again I will report it from the water and consider meeting the boat on the dock. An attempte at a citizen's arrest would make a point and be F'N cool!

[wavster]

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

[Matt]

Hell Dan, if I had known you need another iron to put in ol' knothead I would have gladly given you one of those too!!! Good luck to the pm dudes!!
Corey and Dave just let me know if you want a third guy to tag along for fun!! I like long in depth political discussions....or just kicking the F'ing crap out of jerks!!!
Matt

[ratdog]

Originally Posted by wavster

On Sunday I was approached the same way early in the AM. I was way out & alone since 5am.
The New Seaforth aimed right at me then turned at the last minute (about 20 yards away.
I got swamped and the Captain just stared me down.

To make a long story short, I called the Coast Guard yesterday and spoke with an investigator
for about 30 minutes. They've told me that the New Seaforth has had several
complaints filed against them.

Being a vigilante isn't the right way to go. Use the legal system. The CG has the
power to revoke their commercial license, so that's the way I'm going to go. Also,
taking pictures of the boat/captain when being buzzed will go a long way if legal
action is pursued.

Just my 2 cents.

What # did you call?

[wavster]

Petty Officer Daniels gave me this number if anyone needs to file an incident report:
619.278.7031.

This is not for things like "he buzzed me", but more if there is a kayak flipped because
of wake from them coming too close.

[madscientist]

They both have been leaving me alone for a while but that might be because I very conspicuously pull out my camera and grab my radio anytime I see them aimed my way. I think knowing there will be witnesses and photo documentation discourages the asshole behavior.