This is a warning to all diver who steal for my hoopnet

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by Cbad Mike

Where were you Sunday night?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19683322/d...in-mission-bay

Don't look at me....



I had 7 witnesses, last night while we were kayaking far far far far away from san diego.

[steveooo]

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

[wiredantz]

I will toss my brick tossing i dea aside, and going with the jumping in the water and DOn't touch my hoopnet

[thien]

Originally Posted by steveooo

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

x2. Good on you Steve. All this peacocking over bugs. Let them know what's up and move on. Talk is cheap, doubt anyone would actually drop a brick or iron on a diver, if you do for the sake of a lobster....you're probably more of an idiot.

I agree with steve. You don't realize how much more of an advantage an experienced diver has over you in the water.

Cool, you're going to drop a brick down. It'll hit him and he won't even feel it because the water will slow it down so much.

You're going to bury hooks in him? That'll hurt, but 99% of divers carry a knife. He'll just your line off, and toss your boat. If that leads to a fight, who do you think is more prepared to fight in the water? A diver...or a guy who sits on Tupperware all day.

90% chance you have a PFD on. He doesn't, he can get away from you much easier than you can get away him him.

In ancient Japan, the biggest weakness against them was horse mounted soldiers. So you know what they did? They learned to dismount the soldiers and fight them on the ground. You're the horse mounted soldier, the diver is the samurai. When you go in the water, and trust me, you will. You're in their world now.

[thien]

Originally Posted by Drake

I agree with steve. You don't realize how much more of an advantage an experienced diver has over you in the water.

Cool, you're going to drop a brick down. It'll hit him and he won't even feel it because the water will slow it down so much.

You're going to bury hooks in him? That'll hurt, but 99% of divers carry a knife. He'll just your line off, and toss your boat. If that leads to a fight, who do you think is more prepared to fight in the water? A diver...or a guy who sits on Tupperware all day.

90% chance you have a PFD on. He doesn't, he can get away from you much easier than you can get away him him.

In ancient Japan, the biggest weakness against them was horse mounted soldiers. So you know what they did? They learned to dismount the soldiers and fight them on the ground. You're the horse mounted soldier, the diver is the samurai. When you go in the water, and trust me, you will. You're in their world now.

That brick is like a slow motion shot from the Matrix, however in the water you might have an advantage if you wear stretchy pants.

[radastaff]

Originally Posted by thien

x2. Good on you Steve. All this peacocking over bugs. Let them know what's up and move on. Talk is cheap, doubt anyone would actually drop a brick or iron on a diver, if you do for the sake of a lobster....you're probably more of an idiot.

i was half joking bout my 7x

but it cerainly aint cool
the poaching aspect that is

i would just move prob
or board the dive boat
if it happened again after a move

but would never be in that postion
dont like them alien bugs
nohow

and Frank is really a good guy
just pissed off

you would think
fellow watermen (and waterwomen)
would show each other respect
even when times are tough

[Fiskadoro]

A number of years back I was hooping channel islands breakwall. There was a ripping current out of the south and it was a slow night. I had maybe one legal. Some divers got in about the middle of the breakwall and I watched their lights come all the way down right through my nets.

I'll be honest I was pissed, and when one of the guys came up in my nets I verbally let him have it. He apologized and actually offered me a few bugs. I didn't except them (it's illegal) but we did talk for a while and he told me the bugs were right in the rocks for the most part and that the only ones he saw near my nets were ones they had chased out from the breakwall. He then suggested I set my nets closer to the wall, and drifted on down to their support boat. Turns out I did not have to move my nets. The next set I pulled three legals including a five pounder. My take to this day is those bugs ended up in my nets because the scared them out deeper off the breakwall.

Since then I usually take a wait and see approach. I've certainly caught more bugs staking out a good area and waiting them out then any other way. Divers come and go but they are not in your nets very long. The only exception are divers who drive right up anchor near you and then intentionally dive your nets. F-them they are jerks. When this happens I pull my nets immediately before the can get to them. Nothing pisses them off more then seeing your nets going up before they can reach them. I then wait them out and put the nets back down when they leave.

Honestly with all the shit that goes on down there it's hard to tell what the final results going to be anyway. Sometimes like in the story above I think divers actually help hooping because since they work the rocks they get bugs moving.

Dropping rocks or bricks on divers is to put it bluntly a stupid idea. Your not going to hurt them and they will just dump them in your nets anyway.

Jim

[wiredantz]

last night, only one out there....


If this happens to me, It will happen to you.



zodiac drive straight to me, dive right at my hoopnet..... 3 guys (1 driver 2 divers)




"no words were exchanged" " i had visions, of shooting them with a nuclear missile and sending them to the moon"






and its not like i had them far apart, i had them close together.





All you people critizing not to hurt divers, and how we should not handle this problem. Not like i would, but its fun thinking about it.


Let me know how you would deal with this problem?




I am not talking about the divers who by accident just end up at your hoopnet, or who drift away, or the wall is packed and the diver has no choice.

We are talking about INTENTIONAL ACTIONS. PREMEDItATED.

I am talking about the bad apples, who pop out there head and swim directly to hoop net to hoop net, and who jump and dive directly by your hoopnet, while your the only there for MILES.

[ful-rac]

Don't worry everybody Frank isn't going to beat up anybody soon. So don't call the FBI just yet. But if you meet him in that starwars game BS he plays he might chop your head off!

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about divers. If they dive on our hoops, and scare away all of the potential lobsters we can catch....then well I guess it's going to be a wasted night.

It's a shame that all the money we spend on hooping.....from our kayaks, many trips to the hardware store, to bait, gas, food, parking, lobster cards.....hours putting it all together, going to semenars....time spent on the freeway....leave work early....cutting bait...time away from family.....Can all be wasted by a single diver that dosen't give a Fu#K!

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

last night, only one out there....zodiac drive straight to me, dive right at my hoopnet..... Let me know how you would deal with this problem? We are talking about INTENTIONAL ACTIONS. PREMEDItATED. I am talking about the bad apples, who pop out there head and swim directly to hoop net to hoop net, and who jump and dive directly by your hoopnet, while your the only there for MILES.

I already told you what I would do Frank. As soon I saw them coming I'd paddle over to the net closest to them and pull it, and then I'd pull every net they moved towards before they got to it specifically so they couldn't check them before I did. Fresh checked nets have no bugs. You don't even have to pull them out, just drop them back down. It's not like they will find bugs in nets you have just checked.

Once I checked all my nets I'd then paddle over to the boat and tell them flat out I do not appreciate them diving my nets, and that any time they tried to so in the future I'd do everything I could to check them all before they got to them. I'd also tell them that I'm recording their CF number and if they continue to pull this shit I'm going to report them.

What they are doing is technically illegal as they are interfering with your legal right to hoopnet:

" California Fish and Game Code Section 2009

(a) A person shall not willfully interfere with the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of shooting, hunting, fishing, falconry, hunting dog field trials, hunting dog training, or trapping at the location where that activity is taking place. (b) A violation of this section is punishable pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 12000. (c) Any person convicted for a violation of this section that occurred within two years of a prior violation of this section which resulted in a conviction is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than one year, by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars ($100) and not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both imprisonment and fine...."

People do all kinds of crazy shit out there. I had a friend that actually made net decoys for hooping a local breakwater. Just ropes with lighted milk jug floats and little rebar anchors he made. He'd deploy half a dozen of them on each end of his sets then when divers tried to dive them he'd check his real nets before they could while they were looking for the fake nets. This also created a buffer area between him and other hoopnetters as people didn't usually drop their nets in the fake decoy nets. That may seem over the top but he said it worked for him.

I'm just saying use your head. One thing that won't work is dropping rocks on them because they will just put them in your nets.

I'd say keep an eye out for them, check your nets before they get to them, record their CF numbers, and tell them to stop it, or your going to report them to the DFG.

That's what I do, and it works for me.

Jim

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by steveooo

All this internet tough-guy talk about hurting guys over a few silly lobster? Id say that 2 things pretty high on my priority list when I go fishing are:

1) Don't get hurt- Make sure I come home safely to my family.
2) Don't hurt anybody else- Make sure they come home safely to their family.

Maybe the 2nd one isn't something that I actually think about when fishing, but its got to rank pretty high in the realm of just being a decent human being, right?

Do you remember this post, where I actually had a little faith restored in humanity, and the BWE kayak community?

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=14807

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

Steve, I tend to agree with you on just about every topic, I even do here. But, one point should be added, let's call it #3

3) Don't steal ANYTHING from any of the other sporting people anywhere, or just don't steal at all.

Divers who check nets, are not only disrupting a crawl that may reward a kayak hoopster for all of his/her hard work, but how about the divers being decent human beings too, and stay at least 10 feet away from our nets? They certainly can cover much more bottom than we can.

No, I don't need lobster so bad that I have to injure somebody. But, do they need lobster so bad that they have to poach?

I've not seen kayak hoopsters hurt anyone, but I've definitely seen divers go directly to nets (mine and others), and who knows what they are really doing there? Definitely spooking lobsters close by my net. Poaching, aye, maybe that too.

Respect for each other is the way to go, but not all divers get that message. Some kayakers don't either, but that is usually in regards to areas other than poaching one's bugs.

[wiredantz]

yeah, i can imagine 10million things.

but it comes down to...

its just plain wrong to steal...
ive seen diver do it... i heard divers say they have done it....

and its just not right... to steal.... but they do it?


yes i have friends who dive who are honest, but i know divers who are wrong and dirty....

THIS IS ONGOING WAR: Even across the world!!!

the biggest problem, Parisi said, has been divers stealing lobsters right out of his traps.
Parisi said he once put out 100 traps, and when he pulled them up a few days later, 67 of the traps had open doors. This is something a fish could never do considering the doors on the top of the wired, metal traps are bound by tightly-strapped bungee cords.
Besides catching lobsters, crabs, sea stars and the occasional fish in his traps, Parisi said he has pulled up diving gloves and a flashlight. He knows another lobsterman whose catch once yielded an expensive watch and dive knife.
He said every summer he sees a few divers walking up on shore or climbing back into their boats with a bag stuffed full of lobsters.
"You can pretty much tell when a diver gets out of the water with a bag with 25 lobsters, you can tell they aren't getting them legally," he said. "We're pulling 100 traps and getting maybe 10 lobsters. They're coming up with 30. They ruin it for everybody."
Parisi said he has called the game wardens on more than one occasion to report suspicious behavior from divers, like when he sees bag after bag of lobsters being loaded into divers' boats, or when he is pulling traps and bubbles from the divers are directly below and preceding him along his string of traps. Sometimes the divers are arrested for harvesting undersized and pregnant lobsters, Parisi said. More often than not, though, the divers are out of the water and driving away by the time law enforcement officials have arrived.
But Parisi insists it is only a few bad apples who spoil diving for everyone else.







http://www.scuba-newengland.com/News....asp?NewsID=41

[jorluivil]

Why are you guys arguing with Frank? He wouldn't hurt a fly.

[Old Man in the Sea]

This is a perfect example of a thread that should be deleted .....Otherwise.....maybe you should attend the funeral of the lobster diver and console his wife and kids...and be grateful you didn't follow through some dumb idea...

[wiredantz]

Brilliant ideas come from trail and error.



Soon to be invented,

Dummies guide


On teaching
Lobster Trap Etiquette




My next invention, Kayak Canons!

But i will do what Jim day says, take note of the CF number and report them and confront them that its not cool to steal from the nacho man.

its a dirty world we live in

[Tman]

Originally Posted by steveooo

Now you guys are all ready to grab torches and pitchforks and start lobbing bricks and jigs at people underwater? I certainly hope you guys don't need lobster that bad.

Plus, I'm allergic to lobster, so I think its gross

Agreed...at one point, divers and yakkers were united, and as was said, there's always a few bad apples.

Maybe it's different in my neck of the woods, but real divers don't need to resort to that, personally they should be looking under crevices cuz that's where the good ones are. I have seen lights shine towards my nets, and the lights' angles go away from my nets, common respect and courtesy. Besides, if you ever dove, you know that bugs get that deer in the headlights look when you shine a light in their eyes.

Sounds like you're dealing with a--holes.

Good apples and bad apples, I have actually paddled back out to help a diver who lost his dive buddy...if they are poaching your nets, paddle in and meet them on the beach. Simple.

Steveooo, when ya wanna go hoopin'?

[jorluivil]

Frank, I think I might have figured out who's been stealing your bugs