Question for Pro Angler 12/14 owners - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dc1983 · 09-13-2012, 07:23 PM

I picked up a Pro Angler 12 last weekend and have taken it out twice now. The first time it was calm out for most of the day and I had no trouble controlling my drift but when the wind picked up it was pretty hard to control. Then when I took it out today it was impossible to drift as the PA kept turning perpendicular to the wind and when I would try and peddle it took some time for it to start turning.

Now here is my question- How do you control the drift? Would a drift chute help? Anyone else notice the steering doesn't work very well, when the wind picks up.

Thanks

mtnbykr2 · 09-13-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dc1983

I picked up a Pro Angler 12 last weekend and have taken it out twice now. The first time it was calm out for most of the day and I had no trouble controlling my drift but when the wind picked up it was pretty hard to control. Then when I took it out today it was impossible to drift as the PA kept turning perpendicular to the wind and when I would try and peddle it took some time for it to start turning.

Now here is my question- How do you control the drift? Would a drift chute help? Anyone else notice the steering doesn't work very well, when the wind picks up.

Thanks

weren't you on an Outback before?

dc1983 · 09-13-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mtnbykr2

weren't you on an Outback before?

I was but I never had the trouble I had today controlling my drift.

seriola_killer · 09-13-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dc1983

I picked up a Pro Angler 12 last weekend and have taken it out twice now. The first time it was calm out for most of the day and I had no trouble controlling my drift but when the wind picked up it was pretty hard to control. Then when I took it out today it was impossible to drift as the PA kept turning perpendicular to the wind and when I would try and peddle it took some time for it to start turning.

Now here is my question- How do you control the drift? Would a drift chute help? Anyone else notice the steering doesn't work very well, when the wind picks up.

Thanks

I control my drift (direction, not speed) using my rudder. My steering in my PA is all over the place regardless of wind. I'm always having to make rudder control adjustments on the water. Don't know if this is the norm, but I've only had it a relatively short time, so I just assumed it's the nature of the beast.

I see alot of the guys simply pointing into the wind and slightly pedalling. They seem to slow their drift that way.

dc1983 · 09-13-2012, 08:33 PM

My trouble is not the speed of the drift or the direction I'm drifting. It more the direction the PA is facing during the drift. My steering was all over the placed today as well, with a lot of lag time when I wanted to turn.

ericko · 09-13-2012, 09:10 PM

I went from the outback to a pa12 and ive only hit a lake 3 times i to see a lag time with the steering and was wondering if there was a sailing type rudder upgrade..

09-13-2012, 09:17 PM

After a while you'll get the hang of it. Its a very manageable boat. If you crank the rudder and peddle tiny little quick strokes, it will durn on a time.

deepdvr · 09-13-2012, 10:07 PM

Steering/drifting is a definite weakness on the PA. Its even more interesting when you are going for a sleigh ride. I know a few guys that are contemplating going back to the revo. Its still arguably the best yak fishing platform available but they also have room for improvement.

OutdoorAdvntr · 09-14-2012, 07:30 AM

hi, not to hijack the thread. but i guess this is also related.. i'm wondering if you use anchor in the ocean? or it is only use in the bay? thanks!

RockyRaab · 09-14-2012, 07:35 AM

I only use my Prangler 14 on lakes. I control drift speed and direction easily using a drift chute with the line fed through an anchor trolley. By moving the trolley ring forward or backward, it changes the angle of the hull to wind anywhere from parallel to perpendicular, and thus the direction of drift. I can drift bow or stern forward, as desired. Positioning the rudder helps, also.

As to response time, you do have to have forward speed for any rudder to work. As mentioned, a burst of "quiver" kicks on the pedals will give you enough forward motion to turn quickly.

driftwood · 09-14-2012, 07:41 AM

My PA 14 turns on a dime unless iits windy and yesterday was real shoppy and windy. most everyone that was paddling left eary or got blown back to the launch.

I was comfortable in my PA inspite of inclement weather.

Iceman · 09-14-2012, 08:22 AM

David, PA will definitely catch more wind than your Outback, you may want to use the anchor trolley and drift chute to keep it pointed where you want it in higher wind/stronger current.

PapaDave · 09-14-2012, 09:19 AM

If the drift is in the 0.8-1.0 range I usually keep the kayak into the wind before setting the drift by slowly peddling into the wind. Or I will just use the side drift keeping the rudder hard to the left or right and keeping the peddles down. You can vary the angle and speeed by raising or lowering the peddles (not taking them out, just moving one peddle all the way forward) or by decreasing the angle of the rudder. Works real well once you get the hang of it. If the drift is faster I will use a drift chute to keep the nose pointed into the wind. I have an anchor also but only use the in the harbor or bays, not sure I want to use it in the open water, swells could be a big hazard there.

The steering on the PA can be a pain, you have to be moving for it to work. When you start moving keep the rudder straight for a few feet then turn. There seems to be a backwash when you start off with the rudder maxed to one side, the water forms an eddie that will cause you to go the opposite direction.

As mentioned before, you will get the hang of it, try to picture yourself in a big boat and how that responds to the steering and current.

Have fun

dc1983 · 09-14-2012, 07:58 PM

Thanks, everyone for the responses. I picked up a drift chute and going to go out on sunday at Dana Point and give it another try. Still like the PA 12, Imean there is so much room whats not to like.

jorluivil · 09-14-2012, 11:29 PM

It takes some practice but you can point it in the direction you want using the rudder and the mirage drives. I've gone as far as lifting my rudder up and getting the drives in the up or flat position and letting the wind do its thing. Sometimes the bait tank will act as a sail and force the rear of the kayak to point downwind. Again, it takes practice but it is possible to make the kayak face the direction you want.....goodluck

RockyRaab · 09-15-2012, 08:59 AM

Good info, PapaDave. But those things we put our feet on are PEDALS

Old Man in the Sea · 09-15-2012, 05:21 PM

nothing like teaching an old swap meet peddler how to pedal...
yea I thought I saw a kayak guy with big white sign selling live bait and he was having trouble controlling his drift because of the current and the wind blowing the sign...

Rufus · 09-15-2012, 09:59 PM

As to response time, you do have to have forward speed for any rudder to work. As mentioned, a burst of "quiver" kicks on the pedals will give you enough forward motion to turn quickly.[/QUOTE]

I apologize for being pickey, but it's not your forward speed, it's water flow over the rudder.

You can be anchored with zero forward speed and have plenty of stearage in a current.

But yes, to your point, give it a few kicks to get water flowing over your rudder and all of a sudden you'll have rudder response.

RockyRaab · 09-16-2012, 07:39 AM

Allow me to be picky (spelled correctly) right back at you: Forward speed IS water flow over the rudder. So is rearward speed, of course.

A boat anchored in current still has forward speed - relative to the water, which is all that counts. Motion relative to the bottom, or the dock, or the shore is irrelevant. You'd still have steerage (also spelled correctly.)

09-13-2012, 07:23 PM	#1
dc1983 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Laguna Hills, Ca Posts: 309	Question for Pro Angler 12/14 owners I picked up a Pro Angler 12 last weekend and have taken it out twice now. The first time it was calm out for most of the day and I had no trouble controlling my drift but when the wind picked up it was pretty hard to control. Then when I took it out today it was impossible to drift as the PA kept turning perpendicular to the wind and when I would try and peddle it took some time for it to start turning. Now here is my question- How do you control the drift? Would a drift chute help? Anyone else notice the steering doesn't work very well, when the wind picks up. Thanks

09-13-2012, 10:07 PM	#8
deepdvr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 591	Steering/drifting is a definite weakness on the PA. Its even more interesting when you are going for a sleigh ride. I know a few guys that are contemplating going back to the revo. Its still arguably the best yak fishing platform available but they also have room for improvement. __________________

09-14-2012, 08:22 AM	#12
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	David, PA will definitely catch more wind than your Outback, you may want to use the anchor trolley and drift chute to keep it pointed where you want it in higher wind/stronger current. __________________

09-14-2012, 09:19 AM	#13
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,473	If the drift is in the 0.8-1.0 range I usually keep the kayak into the wind before setting the drift by slowly peddling into the wind. Or I will just use the side drift keeping the rudder hard to the left or right and keeping the peddles down. You can vary the angle and speeed by raising or lowering the peddles (not taking them out, just moving one peddle all the way forward) or by decreasing the angle of the rudder. Works real well once you get the hang of it. If the drift is faster I will use a drift chute to keep the nose pointed into the wind. I have an anchor also but only use the in the harbor or bays, not sure I want to use it in the open water, swells could be a big hazard there. The steering on the PA can be a pain, you have to be moving for it to work. When you start moving keep the rudder straight for a few feet then turn. There seems to be a backwash when you start off with the rudder maxed to one side, the water forms an eddie that will cause you to go the opposite direction. As mentioned before, you will get the hang of it, try to picture yourself in a big boat and how that responds to the steering and current. Have fun __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

09-14-2012, 07:58 PM	#14
dc1983 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Laguna Hills, Ca Posts: 309	Thanks, everyone for the responses. I picked up a drift chute and going to go out on sunday at Dana Point and give it another try. Still like the PA 12, Imean there is so much room whats not to like. Last edited by dc1983; 09-14-2012 at 08:08 PM.

09-13-2012, 08:33 PM	#5
dc1983 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Laguna Hills, Ca Posts: 309	My trouble is not the speed of the drift or the direction I'm drifting. It more the direction the PA is facing during the drift. My steering was all over the placed today as well, with a lot of lag time when I wanted to turn.

09-13-2012, 09:10 PM	#6
ericko Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Huntington beach Posts: 594	I went from the outback to a pa12 and ive only hit a lake 3 times i to see a lag time with the steering and was wondering if there was a sailing type rudder upgrade..

09-13-2012, 09:17 PM	#7
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	After a while you'll get the hang of it. Its a very manageable boat. If you crank the rudder and peddle tiny little quick strokes, it will durn on a time.

09-14-2012, 07:30 AM	#9
OutdoorAdvntr Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: RC Posts: 71	hi, not to hijack the thread. but i guess this is also related.. i'm wondering if you use anchor in the ocean? or it is only use in the bay? thanks!

09-14-2012, 07:35 AM	#10
RockyRaab Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 138	I only use my Prangler 14 on lakes. I control drift speed and direction easily using a drift chute with the line fed through an anchor trolley. By moving the trolley ring forward or backward, it changes the angle of the hull to wind anywhere from parallel to perpendicular, and thus the direction of drift. I can drift bow or stern forward, as desired. Positioning the rudder helps, also. As to response time, you do have to have forward speed for any rudder to work. As mentioned, a burst of "quiver" kicks on the pedals will give you enough forward motion to turn quickly.

09-14-2012, 07:41 AM	#11
driftwood Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 1,086	My PA 14 turns on a dime unless iits windy and yesterday was real shoppy and windy. most everyone that was paddling left eary or got blown back to the launch. I was comfortable in my PA inspite of inclement weather.

09-14-2012, 11:29 PM	#15
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	It takes some practice but you can point it in the direction you want using the rudder and the mirage drives. I've gone as far as lifting my rudder up and getting the drives in the up or flat position and letting the wind do its thing. Sometimes the bait tank will act as a sail and force the rear of the kayak to point downwind. Again, it takes practice but it is possible to make the kayak face the direction you want.....goodluck __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

09-15-2012, 08:59 AM	#16
RockyRaab Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 138	Good info, PapaDave. But those things we put our feet on are PEDALS

09-15-2012, 05:21 PM	#17
Old Man in the Sea Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bay Park Posts: 569	haha nothing like teaching an old swap meet peddler how to pedal... yea I thought I saw a kayak guy with big white sign selling live bait and he was having trouble controlling his drift because of the current and the wind blowing the sign...

09-15-2012, 09:59 PM	#18
Rufus Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ocean Beach Posts: 90	As to response time, you do have to have forward speed for any rudder to work. As mentioned, a burst of "quiver" kicks on the pedals will give you enough forward motion to turn quickly.[/QUOTE] I apologize for being pickey, but it's not your forward speed, it's water flow over the rudder. You can be anchored with zero forward speed and have plenty of stearage in a current. But yes, to your point, give it a few kicks to get water flowing over your rudder and all of a sudden you'll have rudder response.

09-16-2012, 07:39 AM	#19
RockyRaab Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 138	Allow me to be picky (spelled correctly) right back at you: Forward speed IS water flow over the rudder. So is rearward speed, of course. A boat anchored in current still has forward speed - relative to the water, which is all that counts. Motion relative to the bottom, or the dock, or the shore is irrelevant. You'd still have steerage (also spelled correctly.)