1st Post and a PA 12 Review - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Journeyman · 05-24-2012, 10:30 PM

Hi everybody,

I've been lurking here for a while since getting interested in kayak fishing. I've learned a ton from the wealth of knowledge flowing around here and I appreciate those who are willing to share their knowledge and experience.

Just a disclaimer, I'm a complete beginner to all things fishing, especially kayaks. I've only been surf fishing for the past few months as well as hitting Dana Point harbor a few times a week (from the Jetty). I decided I needed a way to get on the water, so I began researching my options. Float tubes up to a skiff and everything in between. After much research I settled on a kayak for all the reasons you all know. I don't like wasting money on anything that I'll just end up wanting an upgrade from so I decided on not only a Hobie, but a PA 12 to boot.

Luckily, I was the first to put down a deposit at Dana Point Jet Ski and Kayak a few weeks ago and this morning my boat showed up.

So, after finishing up the work I needed to get done today, I headed down to Tims shop, completed the necessary paperwork and got on the water. Being my first time kayak fishing, I kept it simple just throwing a Kroc and I stayed inside the harbor primarily around the bait barge. Nothing to get to excited about but I caught a jacksmelt within minutes along with a handful of others and a yellow fin croaker. I was only out for about an hour and a half but it was a ton of fun and my first impression of the PA 12 could not be better.

First and foremost, the seat is just ridiculous. I started out with it in the low position but after a few minutes I moved it to the raised position and it worked great. Just as comfortable to peddle and very stable but it was just nice to sit up a little higher. Almost like going from a recliner to an office chair, it just puts you in work mode (not that there's any thing wrong with the low position, it's great as well). I'm sure the flexibility will be great during a long day on the water.

The steering was very sensitive, possibly a little to much when trying to track straight, which I know they have a solution for but I'd hate to lose the sharp steering that it gives you. I got in very close to the jetty to talk to a buddy and was able to do a U-turn to move away instead of having to grab the paddle and back up. I'll probably just end up leaving the stock steering pulley.

I didn't try standing in the boat as I was wearing my work boots and didn't want to take any chances, I'll save that test for a board shorts and flops day.

The only other kayaks I have to compare to are a couple of Cobra's my dad had about 10 years ago and the PA 14 I tested a few weeks ago so my opinion won't carry the same weight as other members but since it's still early day's in the PA 12's release I thought I'd put something out there to help hold over the other future owners.

I'm hoping to get out with one of BWE's resident guides in the near future to learn as much as possible and hopefully figure out how I want to rig my boat.

Here's some pics

JeffB · 05-24-2012, 11:54 PM

A heck of a First Kayak!

jorluivil · 05-25-2012, 01:43 AM

wow!!!

you're a lucky man!!!

Does the yak come with a sailing rudder or the smaller stock one? I recently changed my rudder from the stock one to a sailing one and noticed that the steering became extremely sensitive.

p.s.
ONE HELL OF A FIRST POST!!

Journeyman · 05-25-2012, 08:05 AM

Not sure about the rudder but here's some pics

Iceman · 05-25-2012, 08:06 AM

The PAs have a completely different recessed rudder system.

That is a heck of a first kayak!

min-va · 05-25-2012, 10:15 AM

JEALOUS!!! nice first yak man!!

Badtaste2k · 05-25-2012, 10:25 AM

One of these days I am going to have to try out one of these PA's. The seat looks so high that it would be unstable but I am sure it is fine.

Dan

THE DARKHORSE · 05-25-2012, 10:38 AM

The steering is perfect just the way it is. Just try not to over-steer. Think along the lines of micro adjustments. It's similar to when you're driving on the freeway and simply keeping your car in it's lane. Say, 1/4" to the right then 1/4" to the left.

Just make sure you go buy a hand bilge-pump, PFD and a big a$$ ice-chest! All three are essential items.
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P.S. If you change your mind and decide to sell it, expect to lose about $5. You know the price of that gas to meet up? Something about supply and demand...

Baja_Traveler · 05-25-2012, 10:48 AM

Since the rudder is almost 2 feet in from the back of the kayak, it turns like a much smaller boat. Man I can't wait to order mine - I just gotta be patient and save another grand...

lbsurf2ca · 05-25-2012, 12:32 PM

Such a rad rig. Bonus money where you at?

Anyone who has tried both know if the stability is equal to the 14?

RedSledTeam · 05-25-2012, 02:54 PM

Point of clarification: So, does "ridiculous" mean good? (I'm old school)

and is the seat wide-enough for a "large" derriere?

Journeyman · 05-25-2012, 09:03 PM

The seat is both ridiculously good (each feature is fantastic) and quite wide. I'm sure most would have no issue fitting into it. 20.5" wide inside armrest to armrest.

WahooUSMA · 05-26-2012, 07:18 AM

Nice....I miss mine.

roadx · 05-26-2012, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Journeyman

The seat is both ridiculously good (each feature is fantastic) and quite wide. I'm sure most would have no issue fitting into it. 20.5" wide inside armrest to armrest.

are the armrests out of the way for fishing? and how about turning around to get to the bait tank or stuff in the back?

05-24-2012, 10:30 PM	#1
Journeyman Junior Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Lake Elsinore Posts: 25	1st Post and a PA 12 Review Hi everybody, I've been lurking here for a while since getting interested in kayak fishing. I've learned a ton from the wealth of knowledge flowing around here and I appreciate those who are willing to share their knowledge and experience. Just a disclaimer, I'm a complete beginner to all things fishing, especially kayaks. I've only been surf fishing for the past few months as well as hitting Dana Point harbor a few times a week (from the Jetty). I decided I needed a way to get on the water, so I began researching my options. Float tubes up to a skiff and everything in between. After much research I settled on a kayak for all the reasons you all know. I don't like wasting money on anything that I'll just end up wanting an upgrade from so I decided on not only a Hobie, but a PA 12 to boot. Luckily, I was the first to put down a deposit at Dana Point Jet Ski and Kayak a few weeks ago and this morning my boat showed up. So, after finishing up the work I needed to get done today, I headed down to Tims shop, completed the necessary paperwork and got on the water. Being my first time kayak fishing, I kept it simple just throwing a Kroc and I stayed inside the harbor primarily around the bait barge. Nothing to get to excited about but I caught a jacksmelt within minutes along with a handful of others and a yellow fin croaker. I was only out for about an hour and a half but it was a ton of fun and my first impression of the PA 12 could not be better. First and foremost, the seat is just ridiculous. I started out with it in the low position but after a few minutes I moved it to the raised position and it worked great. Just as comfortable to peddle and very stable but it was just nice to sit up a little higher. Almost like going from a recliner to an office chair, it just puts you in work mode (not that there's any thing wrong with the low position, it's great as well). I'm sure the flexibility will be great during a long day on the water. The steering was very sensitive, possibly a little to much when trying to track straight, which I know they have a solution for but I'd hate to lose the sharp steering that it gives you. I got in very close to the jetty to talk to a buddy and was able to do a U-turn to move away instead of having to grab the paddle and back up. I'll probably just end up leaving the stock steering pulley. I didn't try standing in the boat as I was wearing my work boots and didn't want to take any chances, I'll save that test for a board shorts and flops day. The only other kayaks I have to compare to are a couple of Cobra's my dad had about 10 years ago and the PA 14 I tested a few weeks ago so my opinion won't carry the same weight as other members but since it's still early day's in the PA 12's release I thought I'd put something out there to help hold over the other future owners. I'm hoping to get out with one of BWE's resident guides in the near future to learn as much as possible and hopefully figure out how I want to rig my boat. Here's some pics

05-24-2012, 11:54 PM	#2
JeffB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: La Jolla Posts: 1,216	A heck of a First Kayak! __________________ If you're looking for me I'm

05-25-2012, 01:43 AM	#3
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	wow!!! you're a lucky man!!! Does the yak come with a sailing rudder or the smaller stock one? I recently changed my rudder from the stock one to a sailing one and noticed that the steering became extremely sensitive. p.s. ONE HELL OF A FIRST POST!! __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

05-25-2012, 08:06 AM	#5
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	The PAs have a completely different recessed rudder system. That is a heck of a first kayak! __________________

05-25-2012, 10:15 AM	#6
min-va Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hacienda Heights Posts: 216	JEALOUS!!! nice first yak man!! __________________ www.vapercompany.com

05-25-2012, 08:05 AM	#4
Journeyman Junior Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Lake Elsinore Posts: 25	Not sure about the rudder but here's some pics

05-25-2012, 10:25 AM	#7
Badtaste2k Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Pedro Posts: 144	One of these days I am going to have to try out one of these PA's. The seat looks so high that it would be unstable but I am sure it is fine. Dan

05-25-2012, 10:38 AM	#8
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	Congrats on the new ride! The steering is perfect just the way it is. Just try not to over-steer. Think along the lines of micro adjustments. It's similar to when you're driving on the freeway and simply keeping your car in it's lane. Say, 1/4" to the right then 1/4" to the left. Just make sure you go buy a hand bilge-pump, PFD and a big a$$ ice-chest! All three are essential items. . . . . . . . . . . P.S. If you change your mind and decide to sell it, expect to lose about $5. You know the price of that gas to meet up? Something about supply and demand... __________________

05-25-2012, 10:48 AM	#9
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	Since the rudder is almost 2 feet in from the back of the kayak, it turns like a much smaller boat. Man I can't wait to order mine - I just gotta be patient and save another grand...

05-25-2012, 12:32 PM	#10
lbsurf2ca Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Encinitas Posts: 395	Such a rad rig. Bonus money where you at? Anyone who has tried both know if the stability is equal to the 14? __________________

05-25-2012, 02:54 PM	#11
RedSledTeam Daddeo Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: OC Posts: 660	Point of clarification: So, does "ridiculous" mean good? (I'm old school) and is the seat wide-enough for a "large" derriere?

05-25-2012, 09:03 PM	#12
Journeyman Junior Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Lake Elsinore Posts: 25	The seat is both ridiculously good (each feature is fantastic) and quite wide. I'm sure most would have no issue fitting into it. 20.5" wide inside armrest to armrest.

05-26-2012, 07:18 AM	#13
WahooUSMA Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 753	Nice....I miss mine. __________________ GO ARMY BEAT NAVY! Bad decisions make great stories!