TJ carjackings - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

rastrev · 09-04-2007, 08:18 PM

Saw these on BD's, kind of scary stuff, I know a lot of the guys here like to go down south of the border as I do too, just thought it would be a good thing to be wary of, safe travels everyone.

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ba...y-tj-road.html

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ba...vel-alert.html

madscientist · 09-04-2007, 08:28 PM

Yikes. Seriously not cool.

tylerdurden · 09-04-2007, 08:45 PM

Scary stuff. Incidences like that are always possible.

Matt · 09-05-2007, 05:22 AM

Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea". Mexico can be a wonderful place and it can be an awful place just like here! Stay safe and travel in groups or caravans and don't be a jerk, and the chances are that you will be fairly safe, bad stuff happening is always a possibility everywhere, not just in mexico!

aguachico · 09-05-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea".

Matt normally I would agree with the intent of your message. Most yakers are aware of the pros and cons of traveling in baja. This situation is not typical, but very dangerous. You can not say just be a good gringo and it will be fine. This is serious.

No, mex1 between Tj and Maneadero is NOT safer than the USA. Sorry. I'm not bashing the Mexcan people, but the crystal has made it very difficult to let your guard down. I'm not too concerned with federales and policia looking for mordidas. These are armed robbers that will kill you - game over.

Sure this happens all over the US, but we are talking a 70 mile stretch of highway. There's no way this type of activity would continue in the USA for a few weeks as well as the decades it has occurred in Baja.

This is not a issue of race, believe I'm the first one to call "a spade a spade" - I belive it is a drug problem affecting an entire area.

wavster · 09-05-2007, 06:54 AM

I'm concerned about this, but here's an idea that I'd like feedback on:

If one is travelling along that route and sees flashing lights, how difficult would it
be to continue driving until you are at a well lit area (like the 1st toll both out of TJ)?

Before people start flaming me, I'm looking for serious suggestions, not unrealistic approaches.

If it's a real cop, would they understand? If it's a bandito, would they go away?
Or would either run you off the road, then take your stuff?

Just wondering...

Matt · 09-05-2007, 06:59 AM

Hey Art,

I definitely agree with you, and all I was trying to say is that by being a "good gringo" you lessen the chances of bad stuff happening to you. I totally agree with you that crystal/crack/ice or "drugs" in general are definitely taking a toll on the region. All I am trying to say is everyone please be careful, do what you can to lessen your chances of having bad shit happen to you, it sounds like the guys who got hit in the bloodydecks story were hit by some pretty pro guys who were waiting for them, everyone just be safe! The area around where all the wsb are being caught has been notorious amongst my surfer friends as being a dangerous place, however I myself have never had a bad experience in that particular region, although I do have some pretty crazy secondhand stories regarding it(just check out The Darkhorse's august sub). So everyone please be as safe as you can.

Hey Dave, in my experience real cops have real cop cars, running from the cops isn't a good idea in any country and is probably a really bad idea in Mex. As far as the unmarked policia especial cars.....I say follow your instincts.....

Matt

phughes · 09-05-2007, 01:34 PM

Scary stuff.

I don't know if this is related or caused the two carjacks in a row but I read a recent article in the paper awhile back the local TJ tourism board and government were tired of the negative publicity from some of the local cops stopping and extorting money from US tourists on the same stretch of highway from TJ to La Playa/The Toll Road. Apparently it had caused a signigicant drop in tourism money. Anyway, it had been going on for years (happened to me in the 80's) so they started cracking down on the local cops and prohibited them from being seen on or patroling that stretch of roadway until it stopped and they got better press. Maybe the criminals figured it out and are now feeling they have an open and free shot at anyone on the road knowing there will be no cops.

Just a thought.

cabojohn · 09-12-2007, 01:40 PM

I am starting to think this is a bunch of creative writting?
I am not saying it is 100% bull shit, but many things just don't add up IMO.
If it really happend, it sucks and I feel bad for them guys and glad they are ok. There has to be more or less to the story if it is true.

IMHO- this looks like some local peeps want to keep the the surf spots less crowded.

None the less, safety in numbers. There is crime in baja and crime in the USA. It is what it is.

$.02

09-04-2007, 08:18 PM	#1
rastrev Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SD, CA Posts: 173	TJ carjackings Saw these on BD's, kind of scary stuff, I know a lot of the guys here like to go down south of the border as I do too, just thought it would be a good thing to be wary of, safe travels everyone. http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ba...y-tj-road.html http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ba...vel-alert.html

09-04-2007, 08:28 PM	#2
madscientist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,906	Yikes. Seriously not cool. __________________

09-04-2007, 08:45 PM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Scary stuff. Incidences like that are always possible. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

09-05-2007, 05:22 AM	#4
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Some bad stuff happens everyday in every country, I am glad that everyone made it home safely and alive. I have some pretty sketchy Mexico stories in my past, but I still go down there and the idea that you are safer in America....is just that an "idea". Mexico can be a wonderful place and it can be an awful place just like here! Stay safe and travel in groups or caravans and don't be a jerk, and the chances are that you will be fairly safe, bad stuff happening is always a possibility everywhere, not just in mexico!

09-05-2007, 06:54 AM	#6
wavster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Encinitas Posts: 562	I'm concerned about this, but here's an idea that I'd like feedback on: If one is travelling along that route and sees flashing lights, how difficult would it be to continue driving until you are at a well lit area (like the 1st toll both out of TJ)? Before people start flaming me, I'm looking for serious suggestions, not unrealistic approaches. If it's a real cop, would they understand? If it's a bandito, would they go away? Or would either run you off the road, then take your stuff? Just wondering...

09-05-2007, 06:59 AM	#7
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Hey Art, I definitely agree with you, and all I was trying to say is that by being a "good gringo" you lessen the chances of bad stuff happening to you. I totally agree with you that crystal/crack/ice or "drugs" in general are definitely taking a toll on the region. All I am trying to say is everyone please be careful, do what you can to lessen your chances of having bad shit happen to you, it sounds like the guys who got hit in the bloodydecks story were hit by some pretty pro guys who were waiting for them, everyone just be safe! The area around where all the wsb are being caught has been notorious amongst my surfer friends as being a dangerous place, however I myself have never had a bad experience in that particular region, although I do have some pretty crazy secondhand stories regarding it(just check out The Darkhorse's august sub). So everyone please be as safe as you can. Hey Dave, in my experience real cops have real cop cars, running from the cops isn't a good idea in any country and is probably a really bad idea in Mex. As far as the unmarked policia especial cars.....I say follow your instincts..... Matt

09-05-2007, 01:34 PM	#8
phughes Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 17	Scary stuff. I don't know if this is related or caused the two carjacks in a row but I read a recent article in the paper awhile back the local TJ tourism board and government were tired of the negative publicity from some of the local cops stopping and extorting money from US tourists on the same stretch of highway from TJ to La Playa/The Toll Road. Apparently it had caused a signigicant drop in tourism money. Anyway, it had been going on for years (happened to me in the 80's) so they started cracking down on the local cops and prohibited them from being seen on or patroling that stretch of roadway until it stopped and they got better press. Maybe the criminals figured it out and are now feeling they have an open and free shot at anyone on the road knowing there will be no cops. Just a thought.

09-12-2007, 01:40 PM	#9
cabojohn PROBATION Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 656	I am starting to think this is a bunch of creative writting? I am not saying it is 100% bull shit, but many things just don't add up IMO. If it really happend, it sucks and I feel bad for them guys and glad they are ok. There has to be more or less to the story if it is true. IMHO- this looks like some local peeps want to keep the the surf spots less crowded. None the less, safety in numbers. There is crime in baja and crime in the USA. It is what it is. $.02