Hobie bait tank priming issue - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

SLYAKER · 06-01-2017, 05:20 AM

Just got a brand new hobie tank and couldnt get it to pump or prime while on the water. Thought it might be cuz i installed the short intake tube for a PA14 so i took it home amd filled uo the sink to make it the best possible conditions to test it. Had the intake tube almost completely submerged amd still wont prime. I filled the tank with water so it was over the outlet of the pump and took 5+ mins to prime and start pumping amd still barely moved water... amyone else have this problem, ive heard iys an issue with the XL yank but not the small on

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tunaseeker · 06-01-2017, 06:09 AM

Normally once you get the pump going haul ass for about 30 seconds and it helps push water up the intake. Also carry a plastic tube about 18" long and same diameter so you can put on the outflow inside the bait tank and pull a slug with your lungs on the other end. This will start a siphon effect and prime the pump. Good luck!

YakDout · 06-01-2017, 06:10 AM

The correct way to prime with the PA on the water is with forward momentum. Obviously with the long tube. Make sure the cupped black part at the bottom of the hose is facing toward the front of the kayak so water is able to be forced up while you go forward. Check the pump for eel grass as well if youve used it all on the water. Battery charged? Check voltage make sure its full.

SLYAKER · 06-01-2017, 06:12 AM

Yea this is my second one, im familiar with how to prime just couldn't get it to work. I had the short tube on my old pa amd work fine but i will try the long tube and see how it goes. When i got it to finally prime just seemed like the pump was very weak but maybe i just remember my old.one pumping more... thanks guys

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PapaDave · 06-01-2017, 06:29 AM

Trying to get the pump primed by going forward is the hard way. Get yourself a 3-4 foot plastic tube, like a hose or something, place it over the outlet of the pump, turn the pump on and give it a little suck. Like you're siphoning gas or something. You'll find it much easier to get it going, been doing it for years. Just try not to get too much water in your mouth.

YakDout · 06-01-2017, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SLYAKER

Yea this is my second one, im familiar with how to prime just couldn't get it to work. I had the short tube on my old pa amd work fine but i will try the long tube and see how it goes. When i got it to finally prime just seemed like the pump was very weak but maybe i just remember my old.one pumping more... thanks guys

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If all you tried was the short tube on the new PA its more than likely your problem. I was given the wrong inlet tube for my PA 14 and was not possible to prime the tank without filling it bout 1/2 way up prior.

SLYAKER · 06-01-2017, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

If all you tried was the short tube on the new PA its more than likely your problem. I was given the wrong inlet tube for my PA 14 and was not possible to prime the tank without filling it bout 1/2 way up prior.

Thanks, ill change them out. Does ypur pump circulate water well. Mine seems to be weak

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wiredantz · 06-01-2017, 07:38 AM

mine always gives me a hard time, and i hate sucking water via a tube.

So i have a cup and fill the bait tank up to the output of the bait tank.

then the water finally starts coming in with forward momentum.

bolocop · 06-01-2017, 08:31 AM

Instead of siphoning a tube or all that work priming, get a 3/4" check valve with no spring. When you install it, just make sure the hinge of the flapper is pointing up, then your bait tank won't drain if you turn off the pump.

About $10 and be worry free...

http://www.redflagproducts.com/pvc-f...-x-socket.html

TJones · 06-01-2017, 09:28 AM

The pump is threaded and you can get an adapter from Home Depot to attach a blue flexible hose sold in different lengths . Double female adapter, blue flex hose which has double male ends, and you can even buy cap to make tank water tight. This will help for priming as suggested in above posts. I can post pics of all parts if needed? Set tank on 5 gallon bucket filled with water and prime with hose. If flow is slow I would check your battery voltage . Is the connector on battery original ? If not, make sure pump is not wired backward which would run pump in reverse direction . And last but not least , with tank installed on kayak inspect the tube length how much is protruding from bottom of kayak.

TheBentRod · 06-01-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SLYAKER

Just got a brand new hobie tank and couldnt get it to pump or prime while on the water. Thought it might be cuz i installed the short intake tube for a PA14 so i took it home amd filled uo the sink to make it the best possible conditions to test it. Had the intake tube almost completely submerged amd still wont prime. I filled the tank with water so it was over the outlet of the pump and took 5+ mins to prime and start pumping amd still barely moved water... amyone else have this problem, ive heard iys an issue with the XL yank but not the small on

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Next time make sure the tube opening is pointed in the correct direction to scoop up water and pedal faster after turning on the pump. Should solve the issue. The system is designed to self prime. I never have to fill water in the tank first.

jorluivil · 06-01-2017, 10:59 AM

I also have a short pick up tube and that happens to me every so often. I just keep pedaling and eventually it starts to pump the water into the tank.

TheBentRod · 06-01-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TJones

The pump is threaded and you can get an adapter from Home Depot to attach a blue flexible hose sold in different lengths . Double female adapter, blue flex hose which has double male ends, and you can even buy cap to make tank water tight. This will help for priming as suggested in above posts. I can post pics of all parts if needed? Set tank on 5 gallon bucket filled with water and prime with hose. If flow is slow I would check your battery voltage . Is the connector on battery original ? If not, make sure pump is not wired backward which would run pump in reverse direction . And last but not least , with tank installed on kayak inspect the tube length how much is protruding from bottom of kayak.

This helps a lot when you have to blow the clogs out of the pump.

TJones · 06-01-2017, 06:00 PM

Between all of us we touched every subject. Looks like a lot of experience here. Let us know what you came up with? And last resort Andy could sell you a new tank.

Mr. NiceGuy · 06-01-2017, 06:28 PM

- Is the scoop of your intake tube facing forward?

- Once I inadvertently crimped my intake tube by shifting the position of the tank when I synched it down.

- I typically inspected the bottom of my tank and removed any visible seaweed blocking the impeller after each outing. I thought this was enough. My pump was getting slow so I disassembled the pump to discover lots of other debris on the inside that was not particularly visible without taking the pump apart. Taking the pump out of the tank and twisting it apart for a thorough cleaning made a significant difference. The cheesy plastic nut that holds the pump into the Hobie tank strips easily so don't overtighten. Replacement nuts are available for a $$$ price, of course. Hobie does an excellent job making things just perfectly weak enough so that when it breaks it's our fault, not theirs.

- Your pump speed depends on battery voltage. Check to see if you are getting a full charge. Bait tank pump speed is based on 6v rather than a 12v battery we use for our FF and/or other things. These batteries can crap out pretty easily with non-use, overcharging, etc. They are semi-consumable so we are encouraged to replace them as "normal maintenance" ... not particularly designed to be commercial quality or long lasting.

- Lastly, make sure your drain plug on the side is in place so the water gets up to the top of the overflow tube.

That's all I can think of for now. It's a pretty simple system. Learning to take my pump apart after every trip is what made the difference for me. Yes, it's not a strong pump. To flow freely, it must be clean. Any small threads of sea grass wrapped around the axle can slow it down.

tunaseeker · 06-02-2017, 11:41 AM

I don't think I saw this on on there? Also put some window screen over the intake to prevent eel grass from getting into the pump

FISH11 · 06-02-2017, 12:14 PM

If hou have the RIGHT LENGTH tube, depending on kayak model, PA's need the longer one. Unless you use the tank on different Hobies, you shouldn't have to change it. Make sure the opening is facing forward. Move forward turn on the pump and all is fine. The piss off is the frickin eel grass that gets in and once dry it slows or stopping the pump. I tried adding a screen but its hard to find one with small enough openings and large enough to not plug up with other kelp debris.

SLYAKER · 06-04-2017, 02:31 AM

I know i need to put the longer tube on to help prime.. my concern is the volume of water that was being pumped, it was barely moving water i remember my last tank pump a significant amount of water.. ive been looking for videos online

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SLYAKER · 06-04-2017, 02:48 AM

This a shot of the flow after i got it to prime...

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TJones · 06-04-2017, 01:46 PM

That looks like a battery problem . Theses pumps are indestructible . Almost. If the pump fails it will be all out. What voltage are you reading from battery ? Go pick up meter from harbor freight for 10 bucks . Free with coupon .

06-01-2017, 05:20 AM	#1
SLYAKER Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: corona, CA Posts: 34	Hobie bait tank priming issue Just got a brand new hobie tank and couldnt get it to pump or prime while on the water. Thought it might be cuz i installed the short intake tube for a PA14 so i took it home amd filled uo the sink to make it the best possible conditions to test it. Had the intake tube almost completely submerged amd still wont prime. I filled the tank with water so it was over the outlet of the pump and took 5+ mins to prime and start pumping amd still barely moved water... amyone else have this problem, ive heard iys an issue with the XL yank but not the small on Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

06-01-2017, 06:29 AM	#5
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,473	Trying to get the pump primed by going forward is the hard way. Get yourself a 3-4 foot plastic tube, like a hose or something, place it over the outlet of the pump, turn the pump on and give it a little suck. Like you're siphoning gas or something. You'll find it much easier to get it going, been doing it for years. Just try not to get too much water in your mouth. __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

06-01-2017, 07:38 AM	#8
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	mine always gives me a hard time, and i hate sucking water via a tube. So i have a cup and fill the bait tank up to the output of the bait tank. then the water finally starts coming in with forward momentum. __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

06-01-2017, 08:31 AM	#9
bolocop Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 332	3/4" check valve solution Instead of siphoning a tube or all that work priming, get a 3/4" check valve with no spring. When you install it, just make sure the hinge of the flapper is pointing up, then your bait tank won't drain if you turn off the pump. About $10 and be worry free... http://www.redflagproducts.com/pvc-f...-x-socket.html

06-01-2017, 09:28 AM	#10
TJones Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,526	Prime The pump is threaded and you can get an adapter from Home Depot to attach a blue flexible hose sold in different lengths . Double female adapter, blue flex hose which has double male ends, and you can even buy cap to make tank water tight. This will help for priming as suggested in above posts. I can post pics of all parts if needed? Set tank on 5 gallon bucket filled with water and prime with hose. If flow is slow I would check your battery voltage . Is the connector on battery original ? If not, make sure pump is not wired backward which would run pump in reverse direction . And last but not least , with tank installed on kayak inspect the tube length how much is protruding from bottom of kayak.

06-01-2017, 06:09 AM	#2
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	Normally once you get the pump going haul ass for about 30 seconds and it helps push water up the intake. Also carry a plastic tube about 18" long and same diameter so you can put on the outflow inside the bait tank and pull a slug with your lungs on the other end. This will start a siphon effect and prime the pump. Good luck!

06-01-2017, 06:10 AM	#3
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	The correct way to prime with the PA on the water is with forward momentum. Obviously with the long tube. Make sure the cupped black part at the bottom of the hose is facing toward the front of the kayak so water is able to be forced up while you go forward. Check the pump for eel grass as well if youve used it all on the water. Battery charged? Check voltage make sure its full.

06-01-2017, 06:12 AM	#4
SLYAKER Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: corona, CA Posts: 34	Yea this is my second one, im familiar with how to prime just couldn't get it to work. I had the short tube on my old pa amd work fine but i will try the long tube and see how it goes. When i got it to finally prime just seemed like the pump was very weak but maybe i just remember my old.one pumping more... thanks guys Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

06-01-2017, 10:59 AM	#12
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	I also have a short pick up tube and that happens to me every so often. I just keep pedaling and eventually it starts to pump the water into the tank. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

06-01-2017, 06:00 PM	#14
TJones Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,526	Well? Between all of us we touched every subject. Looks like a lot of experience here. Let us know what you came up with? And last resort Andy could sell you a new tank.

06-01-2017, 06:28 PM	#15
Mr. NiceGuy Manic for Life Join Date: May 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 839	- Is the scoop of your intake tube facing forward? - Once I inadvertently crimped my intake tube by shifting the position of the tank when I synched it down. - I typically inspected the bottom of my tank and removed any visible seaweed blocking the impeller after each outing. I thought this was enough. My pump was getting slow so I disassembled the pump to discover lots of other debris on the inside that was not particularly visible without taking the pump apart. Taking the pump out of the tank and twisting it apart for a thorough cleaning made a significant difference. The cheesy plastic nut that holds the pump into the Hobie tank strips easily so don't overtighten. Replacement nuts are available for a $$$ price, of course. Hobie does an excellent job making things just perfectly weak enough so that when it breaks it's our fault, not theirs. - Your pump speed depends on battery voltage. Check to see if you are getting a full charge. Bait tank pump speed is based on 6v rather than a 12v battery we use for our FF and/or other things. These batteries can crap out pretty easily with non-use, overcharging, etc. They are semi-consumable so we are encouraged to replace them as "normal maintenance" ... not particularly designed to be commercial quality or long lasting. - Lastly, make sure your drain plug on the side is in place so the water gets up to the top of the overflow tube. That's all I can think of for now. It's a pretty simple system. Learning to take my pump apart after every trip is what made the difference for me. Yes, it's not a strong pump. To flow freely, it must be clean. Any small threads of sea grass wrapped around the axle can slow it down. __________________ Another ho-hum day in Paradise Last edited by Mr. NiceGuy; 06-01-2017 at 06:58 PM.

06-02-2017, 11:41 AM	#16
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	I don't think I saw this on on there? Also put some window screen over the intake to prevent eel grass from getting into the pump

06-02-2017, 12:14 PM	#17
FISH11 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Pine Valley when not fishing La Jolla Posts: 2,642	If hou have the RIGHT LENGTH tube, depending on kayak model, PA's need the longer one. Unless you use the tank on different Hobies, you shouldn't have to change it. Make sure the opening is facing forward. Move forward turn on the pump and all is fine. The piss off is the frickin eel grass that gets in and once dry it slows or stopping the pump. I tried adding a screen but its hard to find one with small enough openings and large enough to not plug up with other kelp debris. __________________ MARK ......... 2016 MALIBU X FACTOR, 2020 SOLO SKIFF (Fishing Kayak on Steroids ) Last edited by FISH11; 06-04-2017 at 02:23 PM.

06-04-2017, 02:31 AM	#18
SLYAKER Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: corona, CA Posts: 34	I know i need to put the longer tube on to help prime.. my concern is the volume of water that was being pumped, it was barely moving water i remember my last tank pump a significant amount of water.. ive been looking for videos online Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

06-04-2017, 02:48 AM	#19
SLYAKER Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: corona, CA Posts: 34	This a shot of the flow after i got it to prime... Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

06-04-2017, 01:46 PM	#20
TJones Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,526	I'm guessing you did not hook up volt ohm meter? That looks like a battery problem . Theses pumps are indestructible . Almost. If the pump fails it will be all out. What voltage are you reading from battery ? Go pick up meter from harbor freight for 10 bucks . Free with coupon .