Hobie launch question. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

fisheds · 07-31-2012, 03:11 PM

Mirage Drive question: Paddle out through the surf, then drop in the mirage drive? Or drop in the mirage drive before launch, and peddle out?

I have fished LJ about 10-15 times and have always put the mirage drive in before launch. I usually wade out to about few feet deep, jump in, drop the rudder and peddle power through the waves. Not always the smoothest of launches, but hasn't failed me until last outing. Did the usual, but after I jumped in and began to peddle, the fin snagged the bottom, got turned a bit sideways and was cooled off before I ever heated up

. Everything was strapped down, but did lose a pair of prescription Oakleys, the water inlet tube for my bait tank and a bit of pride. Do those with mirage drives paddle out through the surf then drop their drive in, or peddle out?

Hellboy1500 · 07-31-2012, 04:18 PM

Myself and my wife have done both, I have a PA 14 and she has an outback. I have found it a lot easier and safer for myself to put the peddles in and wade out far enough to try and not have that happen. I definately worry about it each time i do it though. I already have my rudder down so i don't have to worry about it and i dont even worry about sliding my feet into the strirrups. This last time i got pumled by two waves crashing right down on the front and just kept peddling and i was fine. My wife cheated and had me push her out and then she peddle and she was fine. Its another story for her coming in as you can see on the post she had to change her name to scaredycat. all in all i found it easier to have the peddles in. Risky yes but worth the risk

blitzburgh · 07-31-2012, 06:23 PM

Peddle.....always. Especially in the PA.

mtnbykr2 · 07-31-2012, 06:37 PM

On a PA I agree I think, though I have never surf launched a PA yet, but on the Outback, I have always paddled out and in, then dropped the gear,
but I would like to try it with no equipment and check it out, I threatened in the winter to go surfing in the summer, but here it is August and if I am in the yak, I ain't playin in the surf...lol

Mongo Johnson · 08-01-2012, 05:37 AM

"Sometimes you're the windshield. Sometimes you are the bug. Sometimes you're the Louisville Slugger, sometimes you are the ball . . ."

How many yakkers take the time to time to chill and study the wave set cycle and pick a long lull to get out?

How many watch for bit, think "What the heck" and just go in the next lull they see?

Kahouna · 08-01-2012, 08:40 AM

For me, I put the peddles in when it's deep enough. I leave the rudder up and paddle/peddle until I am in the clear. When I get far enough out, I drop the rudder and start putting things in order as I start the peddle out. Having the rudder up and paddling, I get to keep things straight plus I get the keck outta dodge a little faster.

I try to time the sets, but things can run together and/or I just say screw it and go like hell.

Yakin · 08-01-2012, 08:47 AM

In the PA 14 you are so wide so it is so hard to peddle and paddle!
So when I am breaking threw the surf in my PA I drop the rudder already have my drive in be as deep as I can be to jump in with ease.
I watch the set, then say screw it, jump in and peddle like hell and I haven't had any problems!

ratdog · 08-01-2012, 03:31 PM

I have a revo and I never put the peddles in or rudder down until I have cleared the surf zone. I always wait to time the sets, then go. I feel I have more control with the paddle but I learned on a OK Prowler that I had for 5 years. Jusy my opinion.

Deamon · 08-01-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ratdog

I have a revo and I never put the peddles in or rudder down until I have cleared the surf zone. I always wait to time the sets, then go. I feel I have more control with the paddle but I learned on a OK Prowler that I had for 5 years. Jusy my opinion.

Me too every time no issues...going out. My dump ratio going in is considerably higher...

hemimike · 08-01-2012, 07:41 PM

I have a revo and a outback and I always put my peddles in and rudder down after clearing the surf zone.

jorluivil · 08-01-2012, 09:59 PM

I usually launch with my rudder out, as soon as the water is deep enough I pop the drive in and use that and my paddle to get past the waves. Most Hobies are HORRIBLE at tracking and will turn on a dime if the sets are coming in sideways and at short intervals.

dwntwnall4u · 08-01-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Most Hobies are HORRIBLE at tracking and will turn on a dime if the sets are coming in sideways and at short intervals.

I can agree with that. Especially in my Revo 11, It's terrible paddling. I've been trying to paddle thru the surf then drop in the mirage drive and rudder down.

jorluivil · 08-02-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

I usually launch with my rudder out, as soon as the water is deep enough I pop the drive in and use that and my paddle to get past the waves. Most Hobies are HORRIBLE at tracking and will turn on a dime if the sets are coming in sideways and at short intervals.

meant to say....."usually launch with my drive out"

roadx · 08-02-2012, 04:59 AM

outback and now pa12 peddle out peddle in.

Mongo Johnson · 08-02-2012, 05:32 AM

Is anyone an advocate of having the drive IN, but clipped up, with flippers racked against the hull? Seems it might be more secure and more easy to get into action. As an alternative to being fully out?

I've launched with mine OUT with rudder up and on coming in, I've clipped the flippers up, and lift the rudder for sure.

Maybe just personal preference. Either way, I leash the drive.

467echo · 08-02-2012, 06:37 AM

I have always had the peddles in with the bungee on to keep them against the hull. Done this on my revo and now on the PA14. Walk it out to waste deep water, wait for the right time and go for it. Leaving the bungee on til I'm in the safe zone. Same for coming in, put the bungee on before arriving to the RED zone, just in case something goes wrong your drive will go flat on the hull.

My landing technique: I come in with no paddle and head in at a 45 degree angle. If a set starts coming, I can easily turn back out and wait for a better moment. That has worked for both boats and have still not tipped the navy ship yet.

RedSledTeam · 08-02-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 467echo

I have always had the peddles in with the bungee on to keep them against the hull. Done this on my revo and now on the PA14. Walk it out to waste deep water, wait for the right time and go for it. Leaving the bungee on til I'm in the safe zone. Same for coming in, put the bungee on before arriving to the RED zone, just in case something goes wrong your drive will go flat on the hull.

My landing technique: I come in with no paddle and head in at a 45 degree angle. If a set starts coming, I can easily turn back out and wait for a better moment. That has worked for both boats and have still not tipped the navy ship yet.

I use the same process and it works for me, and Roman, and Ruben, and Roxy and Rocco. Just be careful when you surf into shore and the Leopards are in the shallows 1-2 feet. Even though they are only 5 feet long, if you startle them and you are between them and deep water they may knock into you sending you off-balance as they try to swim under your kayak. I had four try to swim under me and knocked me right off into 2 feet of water! When I looked around the water, I saw at least 20 more Leopards trying to flee away from me.

Pocoloco · 08-02-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by roadx

outback and now pa12 peddle out peddle in.

X2

mtnbykr2 · 08-02-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSledTeam

I use the same process and it works for me, and Roman, and Ruben, and Roxy and Rocco. Just be careful when you surf into shore and the Leopards are in the shallows 1-2 feet. Even though they are only 5 feet long, if you startle them and you are between them and deep water they may knock into you sending you off-balance as they try to swim under your kayak. I had four try to swim under me and knocked me right off into 2 feet of water! When I looked around the water, I saw at least 20 more Leopards trying to flee away from me.

nothin' like a little Leo action to make the landing even more eventful...

mtnbykr2 · 08-02-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -scallywag-

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yeah he is pretty ok, but don't tell him that...but wait you launch backwards?

07-31-2012, 03:11 PM	#1
fisheds Junior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3	Hobie launch question. Mirage Drive question: Paddle out through the surf, then drop in the mirage drive? Or drop in the mirage drive before launch, and peddle out? I have fished LJ about 10-15 times and have always put the mirage drive in before launch. I usually wade out to about few feet deep, jump in, drop the rudder and peddle power through the waves. Not always the smoothest of launches, but hasn't failed me until last outing. Did the usual, but after I jumped in and began to peddle, the fin snagged the bottom, got turned a bit sideways and was cooled off before I ever heated up. Everything was strapped down, but did lose a pair of prescription Oakleys, the water inlet tube for my bait tank and a bit of pride. Do those with mirage drives paddle out through the surf then drop their drive in, or peddle out?

07-31-2012, 06:23 PM	#3
blitzburgh Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Menifee Posts: 2,509	Peddle.....always. Especially in the PA. __________________ ”The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” ~Thomas Jefferson.........maybe

07-31-2012, 06:37 PM	#4
mtnbykr2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newbury park ca Posts: 2,323	On a PA I agree I think, though I have never surf launched a PA yet, but on the Outback, I have always paddled out and in, then dropped the gear, but I would like to try it with no equipment and check it out, I threatened in the winter to go surfing in the summer, but here it is August and if I am in the yak, I ain't playin in the surf...lol __________________

08-01-2012, 05:37 AM	#5
Mongo Johnson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Long Beach Posts: 192	"Sometimes you're the windshield. Sometimes you are the bug. Sometimes you're the Louisville Slugger, sometimes you are the ball . . ." How many yakkers take the time to time to chill and study the wave set cycle and pick a long lull to get out? How many watch for bit, think "What the heck" and just go in the next lull they see? __________________ A day on the water . . . priceless.

08-01-2012, 08:47 AM	#7
Yakin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: San Bernardino, CA Posts: 913	In the PA 14 you are so wide so it is so hard to peddle and paddle! So when I am breaking threw the surf in my PA I drop the rudder already have my drive in be as deep as I can be to jump in with ease. I watch the set, then say screw it, jump in and peddle like hell and I haven't had any problems! __________________ Remember There are Many Fish in the Sea MEANS MORE TO EAT!!!

07-31-2012, 04:18 PM	#2
Hellboy1500 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: El Cajon, CA Posts: 41	Myself and my wife have done both, I have a PA 14 and she has an outback. I have found it a lot easier and safer for myself to put the peddles in and wade out far enough to try and not have that happen. I definately worry about it each time i do it though. I already have my rudder down so i don't have to worry about it and i dont even worry about sliding my feet into the strirrups. This last time i got pumled by two waves crashing right down on the front and just kept peddling and i was fine. My wife cheated and had me push her out and then she peddle and she was fine. Its another story for her coming in as you can see on the post she had to change her name to scaredycat. all in all i found it easier to have the peddles in. Risky yes but worth the risk

08-01-2012, 08:40 AM	#6
Kahouna Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 108	For me, I put the peddles in when it's deep enough. I leave the rudder up and paddle/peddle until I am in the clear. When I get far enough out, I drop the rudder and start putting things in order as I start the peddle out. Having the rudder up and paddling, I get to keep things straight plus I get the keck outta dodge a little faster. I try to time the sets, but things can run together and/or I just say screw it and go like hell.

08-01-2012, 03:31 PM	#8
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	I have a revo and I never put the peddles in or rudder down until I have cleared the surf zone. I always wait to time the sets, then go. I feel I have more control with the paddle but I learned on a OK Prowler that I had for 5 years. Jusy my opinion.

08-01-2012, 07:41 PM	#10
hemimike Junior Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: SLO Ca. Posts: 18	I have a revo and a outback and I always put my peddles in and rudder down after clearing the surf zone.

08-01-2012, 09:59 PM	#11
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	I usually launch with my rudder out, as soon as the water is deep enough I pop the drive in and use that and my paddle to get past the waves. Most Hobies are HORRIBLE at tracking and will turn on a dime if the sets are coming in sideways and at short intervals. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

08-02-2012, 04:59 AM	#14
roadx . Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,155	outback and now pa12 peddle out peddle in. __________________

08-02-2012, 05:32 AM	#15
Mongo Johnson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Long Beach Posts: 192	Is anyone an advocate of having the drive IN, but clipped up, with flippers racked against the hull? Seems it might be more secure and more easy to get into action. As an alternative to being fully out? I've launched with mine OUT with rudder up and on coming in, I've clipped the flippers up, and lift the rudder for sure. Maybe just personal preference. Either way, I leash the drive. __________________ A day on the water . . . priceless.

08-02-2012, 06:37 AM	#16
467echo Rookie of the Month Club Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mira Mesa Posts: 483	I have always had the peddles in with the bungee on to keep them against the hull. Done this on my revo and now on the PA14. Walk it out to waste deep water, wait for the right time and go for it. Leaving the bungee on til I'm in the safe zone. Same for coming in, put the bungee on before arriving to the RED zone, just in case something goes wrong your drive will go flat on the hull. My landing technique: I come in with no paddle and head in at a 45 degree angle. If a set starts coming, I can easily turn back out and wait for a better moment. That has worked for both boats and have still not tipped the navy ship yet. __________________ they are getting bigger....