Pro Angler 12 or 14? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

HobieScot · 07-31-2015, 12:47 PM

I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a pro angler. I was planning on buyin a 12 simply because that's what I'm used to with the outback and it will be easier to transport.

I have seen some killer deals on used 14's and I really don't see the 12's for sale much.

My question is this....
What are the advantages of the 14? For me the additional length seems more like a disadvantage for storage and transportation.

What are the main differences between the two?

ToroBravo · 07-31-2015, 01:06 PM

You should test drive both models and give US a report.

You would know the pros and cons of each boat.

HobieScot · 07-31-2015, 06:01 PM

I have tested the 12 at the Fred Hall show and I loved it. I just don't see many of the 12's coming up for sale used. I do however see a bunch of the 14's. I've never seen a 14 in person.

So I was hoping to hear from someone that has tried or owned both to get thier thoughts on it. Hopefully there is someone that went from a 12 to a 14 and can let me know the differences

JohnMckroidJr · 07-31-2015, 08:03 PM

I've test drived the Outback,PA12 ,PA14 and Revolution 13. The Revolution is by far the fastest, but at the cost of stability. Surprisinlgly I could not get much more speed out of an Outback over the PA's. The PA's are more stable, but at the cost of extra bulk and hauling weight. I like to bring the kitchen sink, so the PA14 is optimal. It has 6 rod tubes instead of 4, and an extra 100lbs capacity for the big catch. The PA14 is 20" longer, 2" wider and 15lbs heavier than the PA12. In exchange, it gives me a slightly better feeling of security when offshore kayak fishing. If your a small person, the PA12 might be a better choice. Hope you get to test them out before making the purchase, good luck.

ful-rac · 07-31-2015, 08:10 PM

If your gonna get a PA, get the 14. Not much heavier, not much longer, not that more expensive. The 14 is a hell of a lot more stable, and for not being that much longer there's a lot more room because it's much deeper. The 14 will track much better and is a lot less aggravating trying to drag a bait.

Otherwise if you want to get a PA12....just get an outback.

JohnMckroidJr · 07-31-2015, 08:29 PM

If you get an older PA14, buy the larger rudder. It is a hassle when unloading the kayak(because it sticks out, and needs to be shielded), but offers a huge improvement in tracking while on the water.

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 09:02 AM

Thanks for the info guys.

I was leaning towards the 12 because it would be easier to transport in the back of my Avalanche. I can put my outback in the bed and transport it without having to use a bed extender. Plus I'm not a large guy at 5.9/165 so the 12 just seemed easier for me to deal with.

But now I'm seriously thinking about the 14.

Since I'm looking at used PA's because I can get a lot more bang for my buck and end up with some of the accessories I would still need to buy if I bought new I do have a question about the differences between the years.

I really like the idea of the H-rail system. What years does that come on? I tried to get the info off the hobie website but they only provide the current model info.

What are the other main differences between the model years that I need to know before I buy?

flemdogg · 08-01-2015, 09:21 AM

2012 - PA 12 introduced with the vantage seat and Lowrance ready, PA 14 still has the older seat/center hatch

2013 - PA 12/PA 14 both have vantage seats, Lowrance ready, and flat deck center hatch

2014 - Same stuff with the addition of rudder tension control

2015 - Addition of Skeg, H-rail, and Glide Technology Mirage Drive

Probably missed a few minor additions and subtractions, but those are the major ticket items.

jorluivil · 08-01-2015, 09:44 AM

I like the PA14 because of the roomyness that it has and the fact that I can sleep on it while fishing.

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flemdogg

2012 - PA 12 introduced with the vantage seat and Lowrance ready, PA 14 still has the older seat/center hatch

2013 - PA 12/PA 14 both have vantage seats, Lowrance ready, and flat deck center hatch

2014 - Same stuff with the addition of rudder tension control

2015 - Addition of Skeg, H-rail, and Glide Technology Mirage Drive

Probably missed a few minor additions and subtractions, but those are the major ticket items.

Thanks flemdogg that's exactly what I was looking for

The two features I really like on the 15 are the skegg and the h-rail system. But with all the add ons it will be close to a $4k yak when I'm done!

I already had Andy do the mirage upgrade on my drive. I just don't know if it would fit on the newer PA's. I have the first gen original drive that came with the Hank Parker edition so I don't think it would fit.

I believe all PA's have the ability to control the rudder from either side. Is that correct? That is a huge plus. Having to switch hands with the rod to use my left hand to make a minor correction while I'm fishing is a pain. So being able to control the rudder with my right hand and continue fishing will be a welcome change.

JohnMckroidJr · 08-01-2015, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HobieScot

I believe all PA's have the ability to control the rudder from either side. Is that correct?

I have the 2014 PA14, and yeah, it has ruddar control on both sides...but had to buy a larger steering lever for the right control station. The 2014 version has a more comfortable vantage chair than the previous models.

Goose1993 · 08-01-2015, 02:32 PM

14 foot

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnMckroidJr

I have the 2014 PA14, and yeah, it has ruddar control on both sides...but had to buy a larger steering lever for the right control station. The 2014 version has a more comfortable vantage chair than the previous models.

I just watched a hobie video and it showed both the little stubby secondary steering nub and the larger primary one. They are interchangeable and can be placed on either side. Since I hold my pole in my left I will put the primary on the right.

I wish this was a feature on all hobies

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 05:01 PM

I have another question. What length of rod can fit in the rod holders that run along the side of the kayak on the 12 and the 14? I can't seem to find that info on the hobie site. It just says the 12 holds 4 and the 14 holds 6. But to it doesn't give lengths.

ful-rac · 08-01-2015, 06:56 PM

As long as you want...it'll just stick out the back

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 07:23 PM

Sweet
Thanks for the info

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JohnMckroidJr · 08-01-2015, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HobieScot

I have another question. What length of rod can fit in the rod holders that run along the side of the kayak on the 12 and the 14? I can't seem to find that info on the hobie site. It just says the 12 holds 4 and the 14 holds 6. But to it doesn't give lengths.

The PA14 comfortably holds rods up to 8ft, you can go longer, but they start sticking out behind the seat, which might interfere with other stuff on your kayak.

Another thing to consider is that the rod holder tubes are hard on the rod guides. Not uncommon to bend and knock the inner rings out of ceramic type guides. Fortunately, I wrap my own rods... have started using solid ring guides that have a center post to avoid knocking the rings off.

jpp9565 · 08-01-2015, 07:54 PM

I carry my xfactor in my Avalanche with no problems and its a bit over 14'

HobieScot · 08-01-2015, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpp9565

I carry my xfactor in my Avalanche with no problems and its a bit over 14'

Do you put the mid gate down so you have the full 8 foot bed or do you leave it up so you still have use of the back seat?

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Rufus · 08-01-2015, 10:28 PM

If you can find a legacy PA14 with the sofa seat, go for it.

I've tried my son's 14 with the newer style seat...no thanks. I can hang mt legs off either side with the old style seat, slide in and out easily, etc.

Dont need all the new fancy rails, center board and crap. Just costs more money, doesn't catch any more fish, only fishermen.

Sometimes simpler is better.

07-31-2015, 12:47 PM	#1
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	Pro Angler 12 or 14? I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a pro angler. I was planning on buyin a 12 simply because that's what I'm used to with the outback and it will be easier to transport. I have seen some killer deals on used 14's and I really don't see the 12's for sale much. My question is this.... What are the advantages of the 14? For me the additional length seems more like a disadvantage for storage and transportation. What are the main differences between the two?

07-31-2015, 08:10 PM	#5
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	If your gonna get a PA, get the 14. Not much heavier, not much longer, not that more expensive. The 14 is a hell of a lot more stable, and for not being that much longer there's a lot more room because it's much deeper. The 14 will track much better and is a lot less aggravating trying to drag a bait. Otherwise if you want to get a PA12....just get an outback. __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

08-01-2015, 09:21 AM	#8
flemdogg Island Blood Join Date: May 2013 Location: Murrieta Posts: 237	2012 - PA 12 introduced with the vantage seat and Lowrance ready, PA 14 still has the older seat/center hatch 2013 - PA 12/PA 14 both have vantage seats, Lowrance ready, and flat deck center hatch 2014 - Same stuff with the addition of rudder tension control 2015 - Addition of Skeg, H-rail, and Glide Technology Mirage Drive Probably missed a few minor additions and subtractions, but those are the major ticket items. __________________ These are my express opinions derived from my experiences - I know less than most and half as much as some!

08-01-2015, 09:44 AM	#9
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	I like the PA14 because of the roomyness that it has and the fact that I can sleep on it while fishing. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

08-01-2015, 06:56 PM	#15
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	As long as you want...it'll just stick out the back __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

07-31-2015, 01:06 PM	#2
ToroBravo Junior Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 16	You should test drive both models and give US a report. You would know the pros and cons of each boat.

07-31-2015, 06:01 PM	#3
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	I have tested the 12 at the Fred Hall show and I loved it. I just don't see many of the 12's coming up for sale used. I do however see a bunch of the 14's. I've never seen a 14 in person. So I was hoping to hear from someone that has tried or owned both to get thier thoughts on it. Hopefully there is someone that went from a 12 to a 14 and can let me know the differences

07-31-2015, 08:03 PM	#4
JohnMckroidJr Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 1,933	I've test drived the Outback,PA12 ,PA14 and Revolution 13. The Revolution is by far the fastest, but at the cost of stability. Surprisinlgly I could not get much more speed out of an Outback over the PA's. The PA's are more stable, but at the cost of extra bulk and hauling weight. I like to bring the kitchen sink, so the PA14 is optimal. It has 6 rod tubes instead of 4, and an extra 100lbs capacity for the big catch. The PA14 is 20" longer, 2" wider and 15lbs heavier than the PA12. In exchange, it gives me a slightly better feeling of security when offshore kayak fishing. If your a small person, the PA12 might be a better choice. Hope you get to test them out before making the purchase, good luck.

07-31-2015, 08:29 PM	#6
JohnMckroidJr Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 1,933	If you get an older PA14, buy the larger rudder. It is a hassle when unloading the kayak(because it sticks out, and needs to be shielded), but offers a huge improvement in tracking while on the water.

08-01-2015, 09:02 AM	#7
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	Thanks for the info guys. I was leaning towards the 12 because it would be easier to transport in the back of my Avalanche. I can put my outback in the bed and transport it without having to use a bed extender. Plus I'm not a large guy at 5.9/165 so the 12 just seemed easier for me to deal with. But now I'm seriously thinking about the 14. Since I'm looking at used PA's because I can get a lot more bang for my buck and end up with some of the accessories I would still need to buy if I bought new I do have a question about the differences between the years. I really like the idea of the H-rail system. What years does that come on? I tried to get the info off the hobie website but they only provide the current model info. What are the other main differences between the model years that I need to know before I buy?

08-01-2015, 02:32 PM	#12
Goose1993 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: San Diego Posts: 115	14 foot

08-01-2015, 05:01 PM	#14
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	I have another question. What length of rod can fit in the rod holders that run along the side of the kayak on the 12 and the 14? I can't seem to find that info on the hobie site. It just says the 12 holds 4 and the 14 holds 6. But to it doesn't give lengths.

08-01-2015, 07:23 PM	#16
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	Sweet Thanks for the info Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-01-2015, 07:54 PM	#18
jpp9565 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 46	I carry my xfactor in my Avalanche with no problems and its a bit over 14'

08-01-2015, 10:28 PM	#20
Rufus Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ocean Beach Posts: 90	If you can find a legacy PA14 with the sofa seat, go for it. I've tried my son's 14 with the newer style seat...no thanks. I can hang mt legs off either side with the old style seat, slide in and out easily, etc. Dont need all the new fancy rails, center board and crap. Just costs more money, doesn't catch any more fish, only fishermen. Sometimes simpler is better.