Your days of eating Pacific Ocean fish are soon over...

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OEX should start selling geiger counters

[lowprofile]

i stopped at epidemic of starving, sick sea lions in california....

as a former Chem, Bio, Radiological, Nuclear defense specialist who was actually over there when it happened and got to see the reports and levels of contamination and up until the beginning of this year was fluent in everything going on with the case I can tell you its bullshit.

just remember, a 100% increase in radiation levels still does not mean it equals anything near a lethal dose. remember that when the media tries to hype up any epidemic or natural/man made disaster.

[beef78]

Originally Posted by lowprofile

i stopped at epidemic of starving, sick sea lions in california....

as a former Chem, Bio, Radiological, Nuclear defense specialist who was actually over there when it happened and got to see the reports and levels of contamination and up until the beginning of this year was fluent in everything going on with the case I can tell you its bullshit.

just remember, a 100% increase in radiation levels still does not mean it equals anything near a lethal dose. remember that when the media tries to hype up any epidemic or natural/man made disaster.

Agreed!

[Dail14]

Remember a lethal dose of radiation is somewhere around 200 rads for humans. And many things we eat are radioactive. For example bananas contain radioactive isotopes of potassium and table salt often contains radioactive iodine. Cigarettes contain relatively large amounts of radioactive materials as well. Our bodies are loaded with radioactive carbon isotopes that constantly break down. Thats what is used for carbon dating. One thing people do not consider is what makes these materials so bad for us. Its the fact that they release subatomic particles into our bodies at a large level. However this decomposition happens quickly and these deadly isotopes become far less deadly fairly fast. If what that flow chart says is true in terms of the spread, we would only be having problems if this had been going on for decades. Not months.

[beef78]

Originally Posted by Dail14

Remember a lethal dose of radiation is somewhere around 200 rads for humans. And many things we eat are radioactive. For example bananas contain radioactive isotopes of potassium and table salt often contains radioactive iodine. Cigarettes contain relatively large amounts of radioactive materials as well. Our bodies are loaded with radioactive carbon isotopes that constantly break down. Thats what is used for carbon dating. One thing people do not consider is what makes these materials so bad for us. Its the fact that they release subatomic particles into our bodies at a large level. However this decomposition happens quickly and these deadly isotopes become far less deadly fairly fast. If what that flow chart says is true in terms of the spread, we would only be having problems if this had been going on for decades. Not months.

It's actually closer to 1000 - 2000 rads for a single dose, which is impossible in the amounts released for japan. What really gets you is when you intake the contamination. Some of the contamination builds up in vital organs. It's the small amounts of radiation from the contamination in your body that, over time, increases your risk for cancer. The big thing to remember is that there is natural radiation in everything, including food. The biggest source of radiation that effects everyone every day is the sun. An airline pilot accumulates more radiation dose in a year than nuclear power plant operator.

[oneyedeer]

negative on the personal radiation dectector for current Bluefins catch

[Dail14]

Originally Posted by beef78

It's actually closer to 1000 - 2000 rads for a single dose, which is impossible in the amounts released for japan.

Woops. you are right. I forgot one zero to my number.

[CalicoCody]

Originally Posted by oneyedeer

negative on the personal radiation dectector for current Bluefins catch

[Cattledog]

I hope the crowd that is worried about radiation in our fish is avoiding other more important risks. They should:
- stay out of the sun
- become vegans
- stay away from motorcycles, cigarettes
- maybe stay out of the ocean, sharks and many other risks!
- avoid most prescription medications - read the warning inserts (which are based on scientific findings for the most part)

etc etc

None of us will be around forever - I wonder how naysayers that worry about stuff like this get through their days-

Chris

[Old Man in the Sea]

There is SOME truth to it unfortunately...the dirty rods on the roof that exploded is a concern and the 2 reactors that started meltdown. The fact it is a "level 3" is a concern...I do not trust Japan or Tepco to tell us the truth about how much is leaking out...I am glad we are in San Diego and not Seattle...I think local caught fish are fine...in So Cal. => no real need now for me to pay to catch and eat Bluefin...besides the the counts were so low I cancelled my last trip...I already take thyroid pills and it is not a big deal...it is one of the few medicines that works as directed...w/ minimal side effects...that part of the story is exaggerated...

[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by beef78

It's actually closer to 1000 - 2000 rads for a single dose, which is impossible in the amounts released for japan....

yes, those levels are for rapidly killing a person, directly from exposure to radiation.

anyone with any knowledge of radiation & the contamination levels in Japan, would concur we are not at a realistic risk for that.

Originally Posted by beef78

....What really gets you is when you intake the contamination. Some of the contamination builds up in vital organs. It's the small amounts of radiation from the contamination in your body that, over time, increases your risk for cancer...

yes, risk for cancer, and other internal health issues.

THIS is the potential risk that many all around the Pacific ocean are POSSIBLY subject to.

and MORE radioactive contamination is CONTINUALLY leaking out into Pacific waters EVERY DAY, with no definitive end in sight.

impossible to predict exactly what issues may evolve in future, and it will likely be many years before all is known here, but there is certainly a potential health threat going on here.

Originally Posted by Old Man in the Sea

There is SOME truth to it unfortunately...the dirty rods on the roof that exploded is a concern and the 2 reactors that started meltdown. The fact it is a "level 3" is a concern...I do not trust Japan or Tepco to tell us the truth about how much is leaking out...I am glad we are in San Diego and not Seattle....

those are my sentiments on this topic as well.


here's more of my thoughts on this, from another thread on this board.....

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...411#post168411

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[wiredantz]

I eat fish myself, but I am very concerned about what my children eat.

As I do not know what the effect of eating to much contaminated fish will have on my children's children down the road.


just my 2 cents

[Steve W.]

Everyone should stop fishing at La Jolla immediately, it's not safe!!!

[beef78]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

I eat fish myself, but I am very concerned about what my children eat.

As I do not know what the effect of eating to much contaminated fish will have on my children's children down the road.


just my 2 cents

It is true that children are more sensitive to radiation.

[RockyRaab]

I agree that it's bullchips.

I wouldn't eat fish that came from a few miles off the Fukashima beach, but I'd have no qualms about fish from anywhere else.

Dilution alone is enough to reduce released radiation materials to safe levels. The uproar about all Pacific Ocean fish being contaminated is like claiming that a fart on Pike's Peak endangers the air over Omaha.

[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by RockyRaab

I agree that it's bullchips.

....is like claiming that a fart on Pike's Peak endangers the air over Omaha.

comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd.


the leaking & contamination problem continues, and is not even close to a solution or resolution yet.
likely not even known by anyone yet, what all problems & issues are facing the repair & cleanup process.....


Why Fukushima is worse than you think:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....han-you-think/

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[RockyRaab]

All due respect, but comedy is what I was aiming at. If you like, here's a more apt analogy: The Mississippi River has been dumping cubic miles of sediment into the ocean for thousands of years - and the oceans aren't muddy yet. The bad stuff coming from Fukashima may be a lot more dangerous than mud, but it's comparative trickle as well.

[food4less562]

I've worked as a marine biologist for the last 10 years. Let me just say everything that gets reported isn't the full truth. You really can't really complain when the hippies are paying your bills.

[Fiskadoro]

I hate to say this but 99% of the claims in that article are just absolute bullshit.

I've seen a ton of these bogus articles circulated around the web. Every day I see more. People love good scary stories.

I mean seriously claims like the one they make that radiation is killing pup sea lions in California because there has been a 10% increase in their infant mortality rate are ridiculous. The mortality has risen from 35% to 45% but that is directly associated with baitifish (food) scarcity around certain seal rockeries, and it's common knowledge that seal mothers to abandon their pups in times of food scarcity and current populations are so high there are food shortages around most of the big rookeries.

Originally these stories were mostly usually associated with websites that support a vegan lifestyle. I'd say they are more about trying to get people to not eat fish then any real health concerns here in California.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd.

They claim that there is 300 to 450 tons a day of waste water leaking into the Pacific. First off that claim is a lie. At one point someone estimated that on a single day when they had containment failure that amount of water might of leaked but that was just one day fairly recently and there's no way that is happening every day.

Think about this a minute. There are 240 gallons in a ton so they're talking roughly 100 thousand gallons. Sounds like a lot, and it is. Know what a acre foot is? It's the amount of water it would take to cover a acre of land a foot deep. Something like 320 thousand gallons. So were talking about a third of that each day, which is the size of a small shallow lake.

OK I'll bite where's all that water supposed to be coming from? 100 thousand gallons a day is million gallons every ten days. 36.5 million gallons a year. Lots' of water. I mean is there like a huge lake there I've not seen? Are they pumping that much water into there through pumps from the Ocean? Someone left a fire hose or two on for several years now? Have you considered how hard it would be to even move that much radioactive water in a single day or for several years?

Let's pretend it's true though.

Have you consider that something like 2/3 of the whole planets water is in the Pacific Ocean.

187,189,915,062,857,142,857 Gallons.

So the ratio of dirty water to clean is something insane like 1 to 1871899150628570

Perhaps someone can figure out how to make that fraction into a percentage, I'm not even going to try, but I can assure you that the amount of contaminated water, to clean water in the Pacific is a very very very small percentage.

Yet people want to tell me that my Halibut is radioactive, and I'm eating radiation from Japan. I find it hard to believe. In fact I would be amazed if a single particle of the radioactive waste ever makes into my body through fish consumption just because the Pacific is so big.

You ever hear of the AN602 hydrogen Bomb the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated? Soviets blew it up in the artic ocean during my lifetime. It's power was equivalent to roughly 3000 Hiroshima bombs and it's fireball was something like 10 miles in diameter. It shook the whole planet, it's cloud went right up to space, It was big ugly and scared the hell out of everyone.

People said it was going to poison the whole planet, but you know what? We're still here.

Before that the US alone did 331 above ground tests many of which were in the Pacific at the Bikini atoll. The French did over fifty above ground tests mostly in Pacific at Polynesia. Which do you think puts more radiation into the Pacific, a 100 thermonuclear warheads or 100 thousand gallons of waste water?


You're right comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd, but only because the volume of a fart compared to the scale of an average room is much much larger in percentage to the total volume by over a thousand fold.

If you took an eyedropper of that same contaminated water and dropped a single drop into Lake Mead you'd probably be creating a higher concentration of radioactive material in the water then you could get from dropping that 450 tons into the whole of the Pacific.

You see it's simply about scale. You couldn't run enough water through that plant in a hundred years to produce the levels of radiation off the California that's being claimed in that article.

Physical impossibility, is not happening, can't be done. Can't be true.