75# toothy Bluefin on the Eclipse - Page 2 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Aaron&Julie · 08-22-2014, 12:05 PM

Congratulations on your fine score. I worked albie boats before and never heard of a shark bit fish dq'ing somebody from the pot. I could understand in the case of 100lb bigeye or bluefin cut in two, during the middle of a fight, and outweighing another whole tuna that was 30 or 40 lbs. But, a quality fish, losing it's tail at gaff shouldn't be dq'd, IMHO.

That captain is a douche, and doesn't deserve to be a skipper. I feel sorry for the other passengers on your trip, who's day was ruined by him.

I hope you copy and paste this trip report to ALL the other boards, especially BloodyDecks. Seaforth and the Eclipse will lose customers. People need to know.
Even if it was limits of 75lb bluefin going on, I wouldn't board a boat with an asshole like that.
BTW, you have great patience and an outstanding attitude. I hope you contact the landing as well as your post here, to let them know of your experience.

TCS · 08-22-2014, 12:46 PM

Funny about the spro swivels. I've had the same thing happen multiple times. I have never had one fail, and the only knot I really know how to tie well is a san diego, so I use them too. I can retie without assistance in the middle of a bite, at night, or whenever. If you compare size and weight of my connection with albrights or RP knots there just isn't that much difference.

Technically he was correct that a sharkbit fish can't win, but he should have made the call in your favor if the gaff was in the fish.

steveooo · 08-22-2014, 01:38 PM

I've ridden the Eclipse with Mark at the helm plenty of times. I must have just missed you, as I was on the trip prior to yours. All of my experiences on the Eclipse have been different than yours, and each time I have found the capt and crew to be very customer service oriented.

That is a nice BFT. I bet it was a hell of a fight. Bummer about it being sharkbit, but I bet it tasted good regardless.

Scoot · 08-22-2014, 03:01 PM

Happen on an 8 dayer shark bit right at gaff.
Gaff, disqualified him and it was big
money like 500. bucks! Captins call
sad to hear Mark is an ahole, was
looking forward to fishin that boat,
not no mo!!

crazywakeboarder · 08-22-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoot

Happen on an 8 dayer shark bit right at gaff.
Gaff, disqualified him and it was big
money like 500. bucks! Captins call
sad to hear Mark is an ahole, was
looking forward to fishin that boat,
not no mo!!

Whats the reasoning behind disqualifying fish that are bitten by a shark? If it still weighs the most even after having a chunk removed I dont see why it shouldnt qualify

Tandem Assassin · 08-22-2014, 03:55 PM

Sorry you had to experience a first class prick. Try the Cortez. Rambo runs a tight ship and makes sure everyone gets treated fairly. I have never heard a complaint and always see people smiling at the end of a productive trip.

rossman · 08-22-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crazywakeboarder

Whats the reasoning behind disqualifying fish that are bitten by a shark? If it still weighs the most even after having a chunk removed I dont see why it shouldnt qualify

The theory is that if your fish gets chomped, your last x number of minutes of the fight is with a fish with no tail or dead from a chomp out of the middle, did you really win the fight with that fish or did you have an advantage over someone whose fish was a pound lighter but unmolested by a shark. I don't have strong feelings either way but it is pretty much a standard rule on every boat I have been on.

Dan · 08-22-2014, 04:23 PM

#1 that sucks. i've had great trips on that boat.

#2 sad for the newbs or tourists that get picked on for sucking or being clueless.

#3 ditch the spros, learn an albright

crazywakeboarder · 08-22-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rossman

The theory is that if your fish gets chomped, your last x number of minutes of the fight is with a fish with no tail or dead from a chomp out of the middle, did you really win the fight with that fish or did you have an advantage over someone whose fish was a pound lighter but unmolested by a shark. I don't have strong feelings either way but it is pretty much a standard rule on every boat I have been on.

I understand now, thats why stating at the gaff would make some difference. Part of fishing I guess, there are fish fishing for themselves also.

kobra · 08-22-2014, 07:54 PM

Congrats on the quality fish.

fishingfiend · 08-22-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rossman

The theory is that if your fish gets chomped, your last x number of minutes of the fight is with a fish with no tail or dead from a chomp out of the middle, did you really win the fight with that fish or did you have an advantage over someone whose fish was a pound lighter but unmolested by a shark. I don't have strong feelings either way but it is pretty much a standard rule on every boat I have been on.

Guadalupe trips would bump into this rule back in the day. I have not seen it applied here locally, but then again the hammerheads seem to only show up in El Nino conditions. Either way, as noted it was the captain's call and that just sucks that he made a bad decision IMO. Glad you still took care of business and didn't let that captain on the rag ruin your trip. Congrats on a trophy local BFT!

If I remember correctly, the Eclipse used to be up here at Davey's Locker as the Cat Special. When Kenny ran it, it was always a great experience. Sucks to hear about the current captain.

Aaron&Julie · 08-22-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fishingfiend

If I remember correctly, the Eclipse used to be up here at Davey's Locker as the Cat Special. When Kenny ran it, it was always a great experience. Sucks to hear about the current captain.

Hmmm, Cat Special, huh? Fished it myself a few times under different skippers and different names, Julie, too. I didn't know it was the Eclipse now. I also liked that boat layout, no matter the name.
Maybe this Captain was skippering one too many days without enough sleep. I know from experience, that's tough on anybody. I still wouldn't risk a trip with him as the skipper, just from your experience alone, I don't give a hoot if he's pretty good 9 out of 10 days, it's that one day that really counts.
Aaron

Widgeon · 08-23-2014, 08:17 AM

Sounds like an awsome experience and life long memories.

I fished a 3/4 day on the SD last week and spent a lot of time on the bow. Caught an average sized YFT on a shimano colt sniper and a couple on bait. We ran into a couple hammer heads also. There was an older gent that out-fished everyone. He caught about a dozen on a huge, pink popper.

Good times

Zfish03 · 08-23-2014, 11:27 AM

Thanks for the comments fellas. Hopefully most of you have gotten a stab at the tuna action. I was very stoked to have such an awesome kill box. There was some positives about the Eclipse too, the deckhands rocked, food was good, and we caught fish. The other captains of the boat might be great guys. Just my personal experience, along with a few others, could have been better. As far as gear goes, use what works for you and be open about sharing ideas/equipment.
Go get 'em.
-Zac

T-Rex · 08-23-2014, 11:41 AM

Nice fish! Sorry to hear about your bad experience! I've been buying the Fred Hall 10-day packages for the Eclipse the last few years and have never had a problem. Capt. Mark and the crew have always been great and I've really enjoyed my trips on the Eclipse. One of my favorite boats to fish on.

ctfphoto · 08-23-2014, 11:49 AM

Awesome fish and report.

I was on the San Diego out of Seaforth yesterday and had the absolute best captain and crew ever. Ever!

Plus it was WFO and we had a boat limit of YFT, 5 per rod.

My best off shore trip ever.

RK · 08-24-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by steveooo

I've ridden the Eclipse with Mark at the helm plenty of times. I must have just missed you, as I was on the trip prior to yours. All of my experiences on the Eclipse have been different than yours, and each time I have found the capt and crew to be very customer service oriented.

Bummer on the shit session but I gotta say this is one of the best sporties Ive been on, I believe we had Mark and Chris and the service was nothing short of top notch.
At least you got a nice fish...

JarrodMc · 08-25-2014, 09:29 PM

Nice report and awesome haul man. I also know which boat I'm NOT going on. Thank you!

Rufus · 08-26-2014, 06:12 AM

"That's why skippers/owners who came up through LoPreste and Poole succeed where others don't!"

Ain't that the truth!!

Smthtnnr · 08-26-2014, 09:09 AM

Too cool. Beautiful fish, I'm way jealous. Bummer about the captain, but hard to complain when you have 70lbs of bluefin!!!

08-22-2014, 12:05 PM	#21
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	Congratulations on your fine score. I worked albie boats before and never heard of a shark bit fish dq'ing somebody from the pot. I could understand in the case of 100lb bigeye or bluefin cut in two, during the middle of a fight, and outweighing another whole tuna that was 30 or 40 lbs. But, a quality fish, losing it's tail at gaff shouldn't be dq'd, IMHO. That captain is a douche, and doesn't deserve to be a skipper. I feel sorry for the other passengers on your trip, who's day was ruined by him. I hope you copy and paste this trip report to ALL the other boards, especially BloodyDecks. Seaforth and the Eclipse will lose customers. People need to know. Even if it was limits of 75lb bluefin going on, I wouldn't board a boat with an asshole like that. BTW, you have great patience and an outstanding attitude. I hope you contact the landing as well as your post here, to let them know of your experience. __________________ "Never say die"

08-22-2014, 03:01 PM	#24
Scoot Scoot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Menifee Posts: 164	I saw it... Happen on an 8 dayer shark bit right at gaff. Gaff, disqualified him and it was big money like 500. bucks! Captins call sad to hear Mark is an ahole, was looking forward to fishin that boat, not no mo!!

08-22-2014, 03:55 PM	#26
Tandem Assassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 290	Try The Cortez Sorry you had to experience a first class prick. Try the Cortez. Rambo runs a tight ship and makes sure everyone gets treated fairly. I have never heard a complaint and always see people smiling at the end of a productive trip.

08-23-2014, 11:41 AM	#35
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 770	Nice fish! Sorry to hear about your bad experience! I've been buying the Fred Hall 10-day packages for the Eclipse the last few years and have never had a problem. Capt. Mark and the crew have always been great and I've really enjoyed my trips on the Eclipse. One of my favorite boats to fish on. __________________

08-25-2014, 09:29 PM	#38
JarrodMc Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 411	Nice report and awesome haul man. I also know which boat I'm NOT going on. Thank you! __________________

08-22-2014, 12:46 PM	#22
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Funny about the spro swivels. I've had the same thing happen multiple times. I have never had one fail, and the only knot I really know how to tie well is a san diego, so I use them too. I can retie without assistance in the middle of a bite, at night, or whenever. If you compare size and weight of my connection with albrights or RP knots there just isn't that much difference. Technically he was correct that a sharkbit fish can't win, but he should have made the call in your favor if the gaff was in the fish.

08-22-2014, 01:38 PM	#23
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	I've ridden the Eclipse with Mark at the helm plenty of times. I must have just missed you, as I was on the trip prior to yours. All of my experiences on the Eclipse have been different than yours, and each time I have found the capt and crew to be very customer service oriented. That is a nice BFT. I bet it was a hell of a fight. Bummer about it being sharkbit, but I bet it tasted good regardless.

08-22-2014, 04:23 PM	#28
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	#1 that sucks. i've had great trips on that boat. #2 sad for the newbs or tourists that get picked on for sucking or being clueless. #3 ditch the spros, learn an albright

08-22-2014, 07:54 PM	#30
kobra Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: oceanside Posts: 880	Congrats on the quality fish.

08-23-2014, 08:17 AM	#33
Widgeon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Clairemont Posts: 175	Sounds like an awsome experience and life long memories. I fished a 3/4 day on the SD last week and spent a lot of time on the bow. Caught an average sized YFT on a shimano colt sniper and a couple on bait. We ran into a couple hammer heads also. There was an older gent that out-fished everyone. He caught about a dozen on a huge, pink popper. Good times

08-23-2014, 11:27 AM	#34
Zfish03 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Oceanside Posts: 197	Thanks for the comments fellas. Hopefully most of you have gotten a stab at the tuna action. I was very stoked to have such an awesome kill box. There was some positives about the Eclipse too, the deckhands rocked, food was good, and we caught fish. The other captains of the boat might be great guys. Just my personal experience, along with a few others, could have been better. As far as gear goes, use what works for you and be open about sharing ideas/equipment. Go get 'em. -Zac

08-23-2014, 11:49 AM	#36
ctfphoto Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 901	Awesome fish and report. I was on the San Diego out of Seaforth yesterday and had the absolute best captain and crew ever. Ever! Plus it was WFO and we had a boat limit of YFT, 5 per rod. My best off shore trip ever.

08-26-2014, 06:12 AM	#39
Rufus Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ocean Beach Posts: 90	"That's why skippers/owners who came up through LoPreste and Poole succeed where others don't!" Ain't that the truth!!

08-26-2014, 09:09 AM	#40
Smthtnnr Fishing Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Orange County Posts: 202	Too cool. Beautiful fish, I'm way jealous. Bummer about the captain, but hard to complain when you have 70lbs of bluefin!!!