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Flounder · 01-11-2019, 08:33 AM

Shark on that last one?

Biggameaddict · 01-11-2019, 11:46 AM

Big ol’ batray

rossman · 01-11-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

Kind of weird those are whitefish. You think you’d see a little better target separation than that.

Exactly right Brandon! You better upgrade your unit or transducer Greg.

YakDout · 01-11-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rossman

Exactly right Brandon! You better upgrade your unit or transducer Greg.

Even at that depth I get better separation looking at Mackerel than what’s shown as whitefish in the picture.

YakDout · 01-14-2019, 03:34 PM

School of bass with one following a lure up to the yak?

Denis_Ruso · 01-15-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

School of bass with one following a lure up to the yak?

I think I would agree with you on this one. This is typically what I see when the current is strong and the kelp is laying down low. The bass are hiding from the current behind the low kelp stalks and pop out to ambush the lure.

I got one for you boys. Very grainy. Still a good one.

TJones · 01-16-2019, 05:11 PM

One thing is for sure, I’ll never know what they really were. Safe bet would be yellows.

please don’t jack my spots

GregAndrew · 01-16-2019, 05:27 PM

The last pic is "worms". That is a 35lb worm rising to the surface at the end of the fight.

GregAndrew · 01-16-2019, 05:45 PM

I am going to go with YT on Denis Ruso pic. (because of the quick 10' descent in the middle of the pic and the depth changes on the last high arch).

I am going with school of Bonito or smaller grade YT on the bottom pic from TJones (at that depth I would expect to see more solid and hard returns from anything larger). Although they could be nicer fish that just never made it into the main cone angle? Not sure about the top pics though, not much information there.

YellowYaket · 01-16-2019, 06:11 PM

I really enjoyed this thread. It helps a newbie like me improve my ability to read the FF. Thanks!

Denis_Ruso · 01-17-2019, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

I am going to go with YT on Denis Ruso pic. (because of the quick 10' descent in the middle of the pic and the depth changes on the last high arch).

I am going with school of Bonito or smaller grade YT on the bottom pic from TJones (at that depth I would expect to see more solid and hard returns from anything larger). Although they could be nicer fish that just never made it into the main cone angle? Not sure about the top pics though, not much information there.

I see what you mean by descent but keep in mind that a FF signal is a cone. Therefore it may look like they're descending but they're just getting further from the signal or turning. Also the thickness of the marks is signature of WSB because of their air bladder I believe.

Also note the depth is 50' and kelp.

I guess a hint would have helped that it's in Malibu.

TCS · 01-17-2019, 01:42 PM

Definitely an interesting thread. I'm not sure I'm getting the most out of may fancy Lowrance sonar unit though. Anybody care to share settings that work well for LJ?

GregAndrew · 01-17-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

A hooked 35 LB worm?

You really had the drag buttoned down. Hahaha

The entire screen there is less than 3 minutes of duration. So the WSB rising is about the last 1.5 minutes of around a 7 minute fight ("at the end of the fight").

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Originally Posted by Denis_Ruso

I see what you mean by descent but keep in mind that a FF signal is a cone. Therefore it may look like they're descending but they're just getting further from the signal or turning. Also the thickness of the marks is signature of WSB because of their air bladder I believe.

Even on the widest of cone angles, you would not see that type of range change from your transducer at those depths without vertical movement. Turning will make no change for your FF, only distance from the transducer. Thickness of the mark is based on how much (vertically) of the object returns a signal. The two signatures of WSB are the color (strength of signal) and elongated marks with not much vertical movement (worm like).
Although color can be the most difficult to interpret based on distance, thickness can be quite interesting too (just look at my last pic again, that is the same fish at the bottom as at the top).

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Also note the depth is 50' and kelp.

At that depth scale, and with the fish between 15 and 35' away, it would be hard to guess the species, but easy to tell that they were large. Especially not knowing how you have your sensitivity and colorline set.

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I guess a hint would have helped that it's in Malibu.

IDK, there has been some very good YT fishing there at times?

YakDout · 01-16-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

The last pic is "worms". That is a 35lb worm rising to the surface at the end of the fight.

A hooked 35 LB worm?

You really had the drag buttoned down. Hahaha

Salty Irons · 01-24-2019, 03:41 PM

Wow I dont know what settings your has that keep the image so clean because my regular 83 khz is so clustered everytime I find heavy structure, bait or fish.. This post is great and super helpful on honing in the fishfinder! Thanx for any help on this!

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YakDout · 01-25-2019, 12:25 PM

Turn your sensitivity down and I would turn off the 800hz down scan. Looks like your traditional sonar image is in high chirp not 83hz

GregAndrew · 01-25-2019, 03:50 PM

Looks like the high chirp is getting some interference. Might try cycling off any other electronics on board, and checking your transducer cable and pins. The crack in the screen could be troublesome too? If your transducer is not directly in the water, you might want to check for bubbles (although the downscan does not appear bad). Make sure you have the right transducer selected in the setting also. Is the "4X" on your unit scroll speed? If so, I would turn that down to normal.

YakDout · 01-25-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Looks like the high chirp is getting some interference. Might try cycling off any other electronics on board, and checking your transducer cable and pins. The crack in the screen could be troublesome too? If your transducer is not directly in the water, you might want to check for bubbles (although the downscan does not appear bad). Make sure you have the right transducer selected in the setting also. Is the "4X" on your unit scroll speed? If so, I would turn that down to normal.

The 4x appears to be the amount of zoom. Agree with the rest.

GregAndrew · 01-26-2019, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by YakDout

The 4x appears to be the amount of zoom. Agree with the rest.

Yep, didn't even notice the scale on that part of the screen.

Salty Irons · 01-28-2019, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Looks like the high chirp is getting some interference. Might try cycling off any other electronics on board, and checking your transducer cable and pins. The crack in the screen could be troublesome too? If your transducer is not directly in the water, you might want to check for bubbles (although the downscan does not appear bad). Make sure you have the right transducer selected in the setting also. Is the "4X" on your unit scroll speed? If so, I would turn that down to normal.

Ya switched high chirp to 200 and zoomed out so much better already more clear.

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Originally Posted by YakDout

The 4x appears to be the amount of zoom. Agree with the rest.

Dont know how to turn down sensitivity but 200 seems to correctly portray what's below thanks to both of you for all the suggestions!

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01-11-2019, 11:46 AM	#2
Biggameaddict The Kayak Peddler Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Hollywood Posts: 591	Big ol’ batray __________________ Keep your rod close, your gaff closer, and your paddle on a leash.

01-16-2019, 06:11 PM	#10
YellowYaket Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 43	Thanks for the thread! I really enjoyed this thread. It helps a newbie like me improve my ability to read the FF. Thanks!

01-17-2019, 01:42 PM	#12
TCS Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 478	Lowrance Settings Definitely an interesting thread. I'm not sure I'm getting the most out of may fancy Lowrance sonar unit though. Anybody care to share settings that work well for LJ?

01-25-2019, 12:25 PM	#16
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Name that Return Turn your sensitivity down and I would turn off the 800hz down scan. Looks like your traditional sonar image is in high chirp not 83hz

01-11-2019, 08:33 AM	#1
Flounder Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 101	Shark on that last one?

01-14-2019, 03:34 PM	#5
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	School of bass with one following a lure up to the yak?

01-16-2019, 05:27 PM	#8
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	The last pic is "worms". That is a 35lb worm rising to the surface at the end of the fight.

01-16-2019, 05:45 PM	#9
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I am going to go with YT on Denis Ruso pic. (because of the quick 10' descent in the middle of the pic and the depth changes on the last high arch). I am going with school of Bonito or smaller grade YT on the bottom pic from TJones (at that depth I would expect to see more solid and hard returns from anything larger). Although they could be nicer fish that just never made it into the main cone angle? Not sure about the top pics though, not much information there.

01-24-2019, 03:41 PM	#15
Salty Irons Junior Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 9	Wow I dont know what settings your has that keep the image so clean because my regular 83 khz is so clustered everytime I find heavy structure, bait or fish.. This post is great and super helpful on honing in the fishfinder! Thanx for any help on this! Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

01-25-2019, 03:50 PM	#17
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	Looks like the high chirp is getting some interference. Might try cycling off any other electronics on board, and checking your transducer cable and pins. The crack in the screen could be troublesome too? If your transducer is not directly in the water, you might want to check for bubbles (although the downscan does not appear bad). Make sure you have the right transducer selected in the setting also. Is the "4X" on your unit scroll speed? If so, I would turn that down to normal.