kage

[makobob]

Originally Posted by LawDog

I don't see the legal issue. It speaks of gaffs because there are laws regulating them (when you can use one and the size of the gaff hook). Unless I'm mistaken, the fact that a kage or spear gaff is not mentioned is in favor of the fisherman. As most laws that are vague benefit the party in question. And to top it off the purpose is like that of a brain spike, to dispatch the fish. The term take is used in the regulations and describes the entire act of fishing so you are just moving the brain spike before the landing of the fish but still in the act of the take.

Does anyone see holes in this logic?

Good logic, I use a club after, why not a kage before. Pm sent. SALE pending.

[Old Man in the Sea]

It would be the BEST $40 defense against a GWS if you don't have anything else...!

[jorluivil]

Originally Posted by Old Man in the Sea

It would be the BEST $40 defense against a GWS if you don't have anything else...!

But is it legal to use on a GWS?

[alanw]

Originally Posted by LawDog

I don't see the legal issue. It speaks of gaffs because there are laws regulating them (when you can use one and the size of the gaff hook). Unless I'm mistaken, the fact that a kage or spear gaff is not mentioned is in favor of the fisherman. As most laws that are vague benefit the party in question. And to top it off the purpose is like that of a brain spike, to dispatch the fish. The term take is used in the regulations and describes the entire act of fishing so you are just moving the brain spike before the landing of the fish but still in the act of the take.

Does anyone see holes in this logic?

I agree with bassmanben's conclusion. Rules always state what you cannot do, and may sometimes give specific exceptions. This one says hook and line or by hand only, and gives only exceptions for use of a gaff and/or a net.

[skrilla]

Originally Posted by bassmanben

Yeah, we had a similar conversation about the topic earlier this year up in Norcal. Had to piece together why a Kage was not allowed.

Who's we? And why not piece together why a kage IS allowed?

So it says the only way that you can take any fin fish is by hook and line or by hand, EXCEPT through 28.65 (a)-(f). That's when you get to 28.65(d) -X

I didn't explain how a kage is legal to use as a gaff to take or assist in landing a legal sized fish. I just pointed out under 28.95 would make a kage legal to use in CA because you said it was illegal. I also pointed out 28.65 which you referenced had nothing to do with a harpoon, spear, or kage.

Besides, the Q&A you posted was asking about a harpoon/kage being used to land a halibut in which the answer was no. A kage is not a harpoon, but more like a spear in which the answer was stated yes it's legal to use but if under 28.95.

There's no doubt the whole regulation book is confusing and poorly worded.

Agree. Lots of wording that can be open to interpretation and lead to great debates.

Curious, did the conversation up in Norcal make it to DFW ears or a push made to make a kage legal or to use? Any word on progress if so? Would be cool if a proper fish dispatching device could be well defined and legalized for us kayakers to benefit it's use. Bare handed gill ripping and punching the bejeezus out of a halibut is getting tiresome.

[GregAndrew]

The way I read it is that you cannot use the Kage to brain the fish because the fish has not been landed (secured). Whether or not you are using it to lift the fish up or not, you are using it to assist in landing it. The rules only allow a gaff for that purpose. I agree that the spear referenced is only allowed for "persons" floating or swimming, not from vessels floating on the water. The rules, as you might expect, seem written in advantage of the fish.

[svendawg]

F & G Warden "Your getting a ticket for using a spear/kage"
Me "But officer it was a gaff but the fish straighten it"

[makobob]

SOLD Ken, The BANK of CJ has your deposit, told him you would be by around 4 today. Thank you.

[makobob]

Originally Posted by makobob

SOLD Ken, The BANK of CJ has your deposit, told him you would be by around 4 today. Thank you.

What a beautiful tool, just picked it up this morning, it is very nice. It will be available to the highest bidder at Patrick's Bass N Brew 2014.

[ful-rac]

If you really want to use this thing over a gaff...buy it, use it, don't worry about it.

[Hunters Pa]

Originally Posted by ful-rac

If you really want to use this thing over a gaff...buy it, use it, don't worry about it.

Yes Mr DFG, er I mean DFW officer. Yes, the fish was so big it straightened out my gaff and got away.

[jorluivil]

If your gaffing skills are anything like Matt's or Roby's you'll need a Kage, a gaff, three harpoons and two taser guns.

[GregAndrew]

I can see Matt shooting himself in the leg with a taser, and then repeatedly stabbing his kayak with the Kage as he jitters. Rockfish can be scary with just a gaff!

[makobob]

Originally Posted by jorluivil

If your gaffing skills are anything like Matt's or Roby's you'll need a Kage, a gaff, three harpoons and two taser guns.

AND even then the beast might not make it into the yak. If BERTHA is really mad she might just beat you with your own Kage! BIG BAD BUTT. Or maybe she will rattle YOUR cage?

[StinkyMatt]

When you deal with only HUGE fish like I do...... You needs whole arsenal of weapons.



Mere fishermen like the rest of you may be fine with just a gaff!

[FishNinjaY]

just tell DFG warden you only use the kage on sea lions

[Danielopupe]

Im in Hawaii and im looking for one of those kage harpoons,i'll take it for $40.

[SDROB]

This one is dope. I wish I would of saw this when it was for sale. Haha of course MakoBob was all over it.