More Fun at the Children's Pool - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

cyberKICK · 06-13-2011, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Podaker

I think we need a certified scale at the children's pool. we just might get some more good footage/ evidence! (crazy)

That is an excellent idea! Sweet!

pchen911 · 06-13-2011, 08:12 AM

Oh that was great.

If only there was a way to get rid of the nuts and seals at the pool, it would make for a bitchin launch point.

sterling · 06-13-2011, 08:32 AM

The irony here is amazing. The eco-chick in orange is supposed to be the conservationist. It was my understanding that a conservationist loves, understands and appreciates nature. Now let me ask the million dollar question.

With the above definition of a conservationist can she be called one, when she doesn't know the difference between a shark and a fish!

The spearos in this video are infinitely more of conservationist that this lady is.

It is clear that she is ignorant, not only in class identification but as such things as sustainable take. These people somehow believe that any take will wipe out an entire species. Well maybe they are aren't that ignorant, but that is what they've been fed. The last point here is that she was not rational and did not come up with any valid arguments to why the spearos should be there are possess the shark. In fact wildly screaming obscenities hurts the seals ears and corrupts them.

MuddyMike · 06-13-2011, 09:14 AM

hah Great Job! That made my morning.

I'm confused about the fish thing though. I thought "fish" was just an animal type. i.e. mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish ... Then shark would be the next level of specification, like croaker, tuna, etc... So what does that shark is not a fish stuff mean?

sasha · 06-13-2011, 09:34 AM

Ok guys now you got me confused .... Are you saying that a shark is NOT a fish???? What species is it then ????? I would have left the shark do what sharks do for a while.. Let her see nature at work shark eat seal, shark fat. Shark bring friends in week or two seal move to better nighborhood. nature at its best.

Sasha

addicted2sp33d · 06-13-2011, 09:57 AM

Strictly speaking from scientific taxonomy, sharks are not fish, but only because there really isn't a single scientific group called "fish"... sharks are in their own class because they are not bony fish, like WSB or YT.

However, commonly accepted definitions of the word "fish" includes anything that has gills, swims in water, and is generally cold blooded, which does include sharks... and incidentally includes some other "oddities" like some gilled salamanders.

In school, I was always taught that sharks ARE fish... whales/dolphins are not (because they breath air and are warm blooded)... but there are certain species of sharks and tunas that are able to maintain a core temperature that is higher than the surrounding water (e.g. they're warm blooded).

The Phylum Chordata includes all animals with backbones (aka vertebrates), but that's where the classification between "shark" and "bony fish" diverge... so that's a pretty fundamental difference.

Here's our friend the Tax Man:

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Chondrichthyes (aka Cartilagenous fish... e.g. sharks, skates, rays, etc)
Subclass: Elasmobranchii
Order: Lamniformes
Family: Lamnidae
Genus: Carcharodon
Species: C. carcharias

Here's our friend the WSB:

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Osteichthyes (aka bony fish... e.g. tuna, rockfish, bass, etc)
Subclass: Actinopterygii
Order: Perciformes
Family: Sciaenidae
Genus: Atractoscion
Species: A. nobilis

Clear as mud right? In the end, who really cares what it is? That lady was clearly off her rocker, and you can't reason with people in that state.

You can't out-crazy a real crazy-person.

GHOSTHUNTR · 06-13-2011, 11:07 AM

C'mon, we all know sharks are fish, with the biggest fish in the world being the whale shark.

06-13-2011, 09:57 AM	#6
addicted2sp33d Here fishy fishy fishy... Join Date: May 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 774	Strictly speaking from scientific taxonomy, sharks are not fish, but only because there really isn't a single scientific group called "fish"... sharks are in their own class because they are not bony fish, like WSB or YT. However, commonly accepted definitions of the word "fish" includes anything that has gills, swims in water, and is generally cold blooded, which does include sharks... and incidentally includes some other "oddities" like some gilled salamanders. In school, I was always taught that sharks ARE fish... whales/dolphins are not (because they breath air and are warm blooded)... but there are certain species of sharks and tunas that are able to maintain a core temperature that is higher than the surrounding water (e.g. they're warm blooded). The Phylum Chordata includes all animals with backbones (aka vertebrates), but that's where the classification between "shark" and "bony fish" diverge... so that's a pretty fundamental difference. Here's our friend the Tax Man: Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Chondrichthyes (aka Cartilagenous fish... e.g. sharks, skates, rays, etc) Subclass: Elasmobranchii Order: Lamniformes Family: Lamnidae Genus: Carcharodon Species: C. carcharias Here's our friend the WSB: Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Osteichthyes (aka bony fish... e.g. tuna, rockfish, bass, etc) Subclass: Actinopterygii Order: Perciformes Family: Sciaenidae Genus: Atractoscion Species: A. nobilis Clear as mud right? In the end, who really cares what it is? That lady was clearly off her rocker, and you can't reason with people in that state. You can't out-crazy a real crazy-person. Last edited by addicted2sp33d; 06-13-2011 at 10:08 AM.

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06-13-2011, 08:12 AM	#2
pchen911 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 218	Oh that was great. If only there was a way to get rid of the nuts and seals at the pool, it would make for a bitchin launch point.

06-13-2011, 08:32 AM	#3
sterling Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 118	The irony here is amazing. The eco-chick in orange is supposed to be the conservationist. It was my understanding that a conservationist loves, understands and appreciates nature. Now let me ask the million dollar question. With the above definition of a conservationist can she be called one, when she doesn't know the difference between a shark and a fish! The spearos in this video are infinitely more of conservationist that this lady is. It is clear that she is ignorant, not only in class identification but as such things as sustainable take. These people somehow believe that any take will wipe out an entire species. Well maybe they are aren't that ignorant, but that is what they've been fed. The last point here is that she was not rational and did not come up with any valid arguments to why the spearos should be there are possess the shark. In fact wildly screaming obscenities hurts the seals ears and corrupts them.

06-13-2011, 09:14 AM	#4
MuddyMike Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 111	hah Great Job! That made my morning. I'm confused about the fish thing though. I thought "fish" was just an animal type. i.e. mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish ... Then shark would be the next level of specification, like croaker, tuna, etc... So what does that shark is not a fish stuff mean?

06-13-2011, 09:34 AM	#5
sasha Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 275	Ok guys now you got me confused .... Are you saying that a shark is NOT a fish???? What species is it then ????? I would have left the shark do what sharks do for a while.. Let her see nature at work shark eat seal, shark fat. Shark bring friends in week or two seal move to better nighborhood. nature at its best. Sasha

06-13-2011, 11:07 AM	#7
GHOSTHUNTR Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poway Posts: 160	C'mon, we all know sharks are fish, with the biggest fish in the world being the whale shark.