I almost lifted the curse... Fishing report 1/29/2011

[JoeBeck]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

I guess to some...

I don't know Dude... I mean I suppose it could of been anything, you want to say it's a black that is fine by me. Just trying to pass on some actual info on what you guys might expect to hook there. I guess it all depends how you look at it, but for me when I see things like this I try to figure out what he actually might of had on. Totally self serving if I thought C-bass were in there I'd be loading my fishing yak, not hooping yak on the truck today.

From his description it sounds he was fishing Venice reef or the inside edge of it. Sounds like the New Del Mar hit it right before him which since they are fishing bass not butts pretty much confirms he was right on the reef.

In the past that area has kicked out some quality fish: Some big halibut, an occasionally quality White Seabass or two, but they are usually on the outside edge of it. It tends to get over fished. The MDR boats that have been fishing it are catching bass and sculpin right now with no halibut or Seabass in their counts, and since they hit that spot every day, that would suggest he hooked something else.

Personally I have fished that spot a lot. I hoop it, have kayaked it (went there on my first trip) as MDR is my home port. I've skiffed fished it a bunch, and since I also used to run a 56ft sport-fisher "Alamos" out of MDR I used to hit it with the big boat, so I actually know that area and reef pretty well. Basically it's the closest structure to the harbor, and usually the last place I'd set up a few drifts, on the way home.

If I had to call it I'd say he hooked a couple of big leopard sharks as they sometimes come in thick there and I have caught back to back big leopards there in the past.

I mean really it's no big deal to me, I just looked into it because I was wondering If I should take a rod and stay a little later next time I hoop the place.


Jim

The problem is if you don't land the fish or get it to show color you have know idea what it is. Not to sound like an ass but to me it sounds like a snag. The fishfinder went black, did he go over a bunch of kelp or a large reef? the fishing poles both bend like a U, was there yanking? Was drag taken out? typically if it is a large fish the line screams out, snag not so much. The pole bends and hits the side of the yak again sounds like a snag unless his drag is just super tight. He is afraid to lift the rod because it might break, again how many rods break catching fish? I have hooked a boat who went over my line and my rod did not come close to breaking, 10-20lb bass pole, drag screamed out until I broke the line off. I have felt that I could break my pole when pulling hard on a snag though buttoning my drag tight. Fish are either taking out line or I'm reeling them in, I feel head shakes and pulls. I guess I've said enough but I had the same thought when I read about it being a BSB. I'm just saying............. Who knows ...... the fish never came up.... Either way great job getting out on the water. I am not sure a sleigh ride is a sleigh ride, I'm more like Jim, I want to know what is giving me the ride and ideally I'm only happy if I land the fish!

Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning . I just know I've been out on the water with friends who get excited when they have a snag because they think it is a fish.

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

The problem is if you don't land the fish or get it to show color you have know idea what it is. Not to sound like an ass but to me it sounds like a snag. The fishfinder went black, did he go over a bunch of kelp or a large reef? the fishing poles both bend like a U, was there yanking? Was drag taken out? typically if it is a large fish the line screams out, snag not so much. The pole bends and hits the side of the yak again sounds like a snag unless his drag is just super tight. He is afraid to lift the rod because it might break, again how many rods break catching fish? I have hooked a boat who went over my line and my rod did not come close to breaking, 10-20lb bass pole, drag screamed out until I broke the line off. I have felt that I could break my pole when pulling hard on a snag though buttoning my drag tight. Fish are either taking out line or I'm reeling them in, I feel head shakes and pulls. I guess I've said enough but I had the same thought when I read about it being a BSB. I'm just saying............. Who knows ...... the fish never came up.... Either way great job getting out on the water. I am not sure a sleigh ride is a sleigh ride, I'm more like Jim, I want to know what is giving me the ride and ideally I'm only happy if I land the fish!

Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning . I just know I've been out on the water with friends who get excited when they have a snag because they think it is a fish.

lol...

As far as the fishfinder i was just sitting over a bunch of sand.

I know a snag and i know when i have something big. Something big doesn't pull on the line so hard and then stop and keep going again until your rod starts bending under the kayak that you can't lift it up. I fought that beast for 15-20 mins and that beast kept pulling line out of my reel and i could not reel it back in. I felt every movement that fish did with my rod, as he swam deeper and farther away and when i tried to reel him in he kept pulling harder Snag doesn't pull out drag while your in one spot and then swims down so hard your can't reel in and or pull the rod up.

At that moment all i could see around me wsd just a huge amount of bait fish, so whatever was down there was chasing those bait fish.

As regarding my fishing pole i was using my $200ish 20-40lb g-loomis rod that i love so dear with my $ 200 reel and that was the most force i have ever felt on my rod and i did not want to lose my rod.

Even though i lost the fish, it was an epic feeling.

But people don't have to believe me, this was my experience after all.

LONG LIVE KAYAK FISHING

[mtnbykr2]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

lol...

As far as the fishfinder i was just sitting over a bunch of sand.

I know a snag and i know when i have something big. Something big doesn't pull on the line so hard and then stop and keep going again until your rod starts bending under the kayak that you can't lift it up. I fought that beast for 15-20 mins and that beast kept pulling line out of my reel and i could not reel it back in. I felt every movement that fish did with my rod, as he swam deeper and farther away and when i tried to reel him in he kept pulling harder Snag doesn't pull out drag while your in one spot and then swims down so hard your can't reel in and or pull the rod up.

At that moment all i could see around me wsd just a huge amount of bait fish, so whatever was down there was chasing those bait fish.

As regarding my fishing pole i was using my $200ish 20-40lb g-loomis rod that i love so dear with my $ 200 reel and that was the most force i have ever felt on my rod and i did not want to lose my rod.

Even though i lost it, it was an epic feeling.

But people don't have to believe me, this was my experience after all.

LONG LIVE KAYAK FISHING

Amen brotha....

[the dude]

Not to sound like an ass but to me it sounds like a snag.

X2

structure in current can feel fishy...

[Siebler]

Originally Posted by the dude

X2

structure in current can feel fishy...

Yep seen it more times than I can count.

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by Siebler

Yep seen it more times than I can count.

its a good thing i marked that spot on my GPS. off to fish i go.


A snag would not vibrate my rod as it swam down or scrape up my dead sardine and leaving it bloody. It was definetly something.

I have been snagged on kelp in malibu and in Cabrillo and in corona del mar, and the force i felt as it was trying to shake off the hook felt nothing like being snagged in kelp. I have had snag stop me from going any further, but never exert so much force to pull line out of my reel and vibrate my rod, especially as it kept trying to escape.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

...... or scrape up my dead sardine and leaving it bloody. It was definetly something.... .

You did not originally say you got the bait back.

Did it look like it was stuck with a bunch of pencil points, scraped with a rake, or was it partially skinned or looked like it was roughed up with coarse sand paper?

If scraped or stuck how wide was the spaces between cuts or holes?

Each fish type leaves unique marks a bite signature, when you get experienced enough that alone will be able to tell you what you had on your line.

Next time take a picture of the bait and we'll be able tell you exactly what you had on.

Jim

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

The problem is if you don't land the fish or get it to show color you have know idea what it is. Not to sound like an ass but to me it sounds like a snag.

I wasn't going to say that but yeah the story described does sound like he hung up on the structure and then the current and swell made it feel like he had two big fish. When he loosened the drag it then came loose rather then taking a bunch of line because it was just hung up from the start.

There is no kelp there but Venice reef is heavily fished by the sportboats and is covered with broken off line. That's why I fish the sand around it rather then the reef itself. Often if you drift the reef you hook up deadlines left by inexperienced anglers from the sportboats and since it gives it feels like a fish but it's not. Sometimes you'll hook a fish it then tangles in heavy deadline and it feels bigger then it is because you can't pull it up. I mean with all due respect new guys to the sport always have a lot to learn, and some of things will be learned the hard way.

Of course the irony is if he had in fact landed two huge seabass and posted the info he did it would of been a huge mistake because the area would of immediately been swarmed with hundreds of boats, as lots of people watch this forum, word would of gotten out and everything that floats would of come out of the MDR harbor to fish them.

This is why no-one with experience posts Santa Monica Bay Seabass bites, or even Halibut bites with locations online anymore.

Live and learn...


Jim

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

I wasn't going to say that but yeah the story described does sound like he hung up on the structure and then the current and swell made it feel like he had two big fish. When he loosened the drag it then came loose rather then taking a bunch of line because it was just hung up from the start.

There is no kelp there but Venice reef is heavily fished by the sportboats and is covered with broken off line. That's why I fish the sand around it rather then the reef itself. Often if you drift the reef you hook up deadlines left by inexperienced anglers from the sportboats and since it gives it feels like a fish but it's not. Sometimes you'll hook a fish it then tangles in heavy deadline and it feels bigger then it is because you can't pull it up. I mean with all due respect new guys to the sport always have a lot to learn, and some of things will be learned the hard way.

Of course the irony is if he had in fact landed two huge seabass and posted the info he did it would of been a huge mistake because the area would of immediately been swarmed with hundreds of boats, as lots of people watch this forum, word would of gotten out and everything that floats would of come out of the MDR harbor to fish them.

This is why no-one with experience posts Santa Monica Bay Seabass bites, or even Halibut bites with locations online anymore.

Live and learn...


Jim

Well if that the case, it was just a few rocks that i got stuck on...

don't pay attention to this post.....it was all a lie...........

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

Well if that the case, it was just a few rocks that i got stuck on...

don't pay attention to this post

Now your learning...

Still want to hear about those bite marks.... Check your Private messages, maybe I can give you some more info.

Jim

[Rockin1904]

way to chip down the cheer.........

[JoeBeck]

Wiredantz, I'm confident you will break the curse, keep at it, time on the water and the fish will come. In the mean time.............................................. .................................................. ....

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades

[Aaron&Julie]

Tend to agree with the snag theory, especially on a double like that. I've seen way too many fishermen, and some not inexperienced, battle real estate, before the hook broke free, the line broke, or realization sets in. Swell, drift and wind and can fool anyone, at least for a while.
But, really, the only opinion that counts is yours, and you are the only one that was on the other end of those lines.
Good luck breaking the curse. All good things come to those who wait.
Aaron

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

Good luck breaking the curse. All good things come to those who wait.
Aaron

No doubt!!!

Keep fishing Wiredantz and you will catch some quality fish.

There are a lot of guys here that will help you out, you will find your fish, it's just a matter of time on the water.

Jim