Kayak launching sites

[roadx]

has anyone been to theses launch sites?? are they really accessible to the public? are they easy to get to??

according to the MLPA they do but i have never heard or seen theses sites

[-scallywag-]

hahhaha...look at all those kayak launch sites...i cant believe that everyone is crying about closing LJ when we have all those easily accessable launches right there at the sunset cliffs....



ummm yeh if you have a crane or... if you don't mind carring all your equipment down dirt goat trails on a 60-80ft cliff, then launching from rocky, slippery reefs (usually not much sand) and larger surf...one of those sites has stairs but it is hard enough to get a longboard down them, I'm not sure I could even carry a 15ft, 50lb kayak down those stairs or trails, and i'm young and stupid!!

ohh yeh, then you gotta get back up?? i'm guessing only %10 of the guys that use this forum could actually physically pull a fishing trip out of those "launches"....and I'm not one of them!!!!

Sounds like non-discriminatory public access to me!

[dsafety]

Those are all good snorkeling or scuba diving access sites. Kayak launching... not so much. Who made up that map?

Bob

[roadx]

this is from the marine map decision tool found here

http://southcoast.marinemap.org/marinemap/

What is MarineMap?

MarineMap is an online mapping tool developed to assist in the design of marine protected areas (MPAs) in the Marine Life Protection Act Initiative process.

Why MarineMap?

MarineMap assists South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group (SCRSG) members in the design of MPAs by allowing them to view oceanographic, biological, geological, chemical and human dimensions of the ocean and coastal areas. MarineMap provides easy sharing of MPA ideas, and reports on how well individual MPAs and arrays of MPAs meet various guidelines set by the Master Plan Science Advisory Team (SAT) to help meet the goals of the MLPA.

[467echo]

Just wait until Hobie is done with R&D on the new Helo Drive system!

[old_rookie]

Here is a view of Sunset Cliffs park which they indicate is a launch area - oh look, I do see a launch ramp!!

http://www.californiacoastline.org/c...gs=0&year=2004

[Nic D]

Originally Posted by 467echo

Just wait until Hobie is done with R&D on the new Helo Drive system!

I heard about this one... sounds pretty cool

[dmrides]

I have launched several times from Orchard and Bermuda streets. It is a pain in the ass, sketchy and almost not worth the difficulty. It can really only be done a few days a year at mid to high tide with very little swell. Proceed with caution.

[roadx]

the kayak toboggan launch ramp hahaha

Originally Posted by old_rookie

Here is a view of Sunset Cliffs park which they indicate is a launch area - oh look, I do see a launch ramp!!

http://www.californiacoastline.org/c...gs=0&year=2004

[rogersmith]

it gets more absurd by the day

[tony]

That's a typo on that map. They meant to say Kayak Lunched.....Looks like a good way to eat it.
Oh wait .....here's how you do it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmAvRYDHW8

[taggermike]

I think the important part of those alledged launch sights is that they are at Sunset CLIFFS. Emphasis on the word cliffs. I guess any thing is possible but you better have your skills together and a strong back. I've launched all over So Cal, from south IB to the trails in Laguna Beach, and I wouldn't recomend that area. Mike

[PAL]

Pretty funny stuff here.

I can shed some light on these. They are launch sites for some people. I've used two of them - Helo drive, where were you? But there's definitely context missing in the MLPA map these came from, which makes it look like all of these are equally good.

When we were gearing up for our attempt to survive the MLPA, we started with with a mapping project called the KFACA Launch Sites List.

If you go back two or three years, you'll find the invite posts. We asked everyone from pros to kayak fishing newbies to tell us where they fished. This was way before Ecotrust, for kayak anglers by kayak anglers only.

We wanted to document everything, so that we could demonstrate ANY impact. Even if it hit one guy's secret spot, I wanted to know. We also distinguished between Primary sites such as La Jolla, Dana Pt, etc that we'd go to the wall to keep open, and secondary, little-used 'pirate' launches like these.

There's was another strategic side to this. Every user group was expected to sacrifice - to get hurt by losing access. We prefered to give up places like these, not La Jolla or Dana Pt. If I'd have gotten out of the RSG with only secondary sites on the chopping block, it would have been a huge victory.

Of course, that's not what happened. The Malibu guys are set to lose their La Jolla equivalent. At PV, the local kayak guys sacrificed a brand new access point at Terranea in order to keep peace with other fishing allies. Otherwise we it could have been much worse.

I hope that makes sense.

[TheBentRod]

Originally Posted by PAL

Pretty funny stuff here.

Of course, that's not what happened. The Malibu guys are set to lose their La Jolla equivalent. At PV, the local kayak guys sacrificed a brand new access point at Terranea in order to keep peace with other fishing allies. Otherwise we it could have been much worse.

I hope that makes sense.

What is the Malibu equivalent to La Jolla? I am new to this, please let me know.

[dsafety]

Originally Posted by PAL

Pretty funny stuff here.

Otherwise we it could have been much worse.

I hope that makes sense.

Nope! Not to me.

None of this makes any sense to me. How can it be sensible to disregard the science, or the economic impact. Having long ago lost faith in most of our elected officials the only thing I can hold on to is the power of money.

The fact that there are no funding sources for MLPA implementation at the moment may well be our only hope in the short term. This may delay things for a while but not forever.

We need a backup plan.

Bob

[PAL]

Bob, it should be obvious I'm talking about how a grassroots minority - kayak anglers - worked to survive a brutal game of musical chairs with nonsense rules from a dictatorial, privately funded MLPA Initiative.

We worked on the possible. The rest of your wish list requires bigger guns. UASC and SAC's Bob Fletcher are suing the MLPA. That's the backup plan in action.

What is the Malibu equivalent to La Jolla? I am new to this, please let me know.

That's the lee of Pt Dume and Pt Dume Canyon, everything from Westward Beach east. It ended up on the chopping block due to pure abuse of power, dirty back room deals, and manipulation between LA interests.

It's the nightmare scenario La Jolla probably escaped. I say probably because nothing is final.

[robmandel]

Originally Posted by PAL

Bob, it should be obvious I'm talking about how a grassroots minority - kayak anglers - worked to survive a brutal game of musical chairs with nonsense rules from a dictatorial, privately funded MLPA Initiative.

We worked on the possible. The rest of your wish list requires bigger guns. UASC and SAC's Bob Fletcher are suing the MLPA. That's the backup plan in action.



That's the lee of Pt Dume and Pt Dume Canyon, everything from Westward Beach east. It ended up on the chopping block due to pure abuse of power, dirty back room deals, and manipulation between LA interests.

It's the nightmare scenario La Jolla probably escaped. I say probably because nothing is final.

don't I know it

worst part of it all is that what got "traded" for malibu was leaving rocky point open. RP gets hammered by the sport boats and the closed area is superfund toxic cleanup site with serious erosion problems. BKR gets little pressure. it's too far to be a regular spot for the LA or the ventura boats.

let's see how the norcal thing is going. sounds like there's some trouble brewing

[tony]

Makes sense to me Paul....
Sort of like throwing a bone to a rabies crazed Pitbull when your leg is exposed..... Pretty ingenious if you ask me.

What most people don't understand is that this has nothing to do with conservation on the enemies part. It's all about control and power. If they had been convinced that they had hurt us badly enough with the secondary closures they would be happy....sick but true.....We have to understand that to these people humans are the destructive cockroaches on the planet. We don't deserve to live here..

Hell,that whole children's pool/seal eco-disaster has always been about control and power, masquerading as conservation. The head "friends of the seals" crazy lady openly admitted in an interview with the La Jolla Light that this was about controlling people. Almost fell out of my chair when she admitted that. Sadly most people dont understand that this MLPA crap has nothing to do with conservation. It's about gradually controlling every aspect of your life.

PAL FOR GOVERNOR

And now for something completely different
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jGyZ-Hmhk