Kayakfishermen/spearos/fishermen are intimidating and violent--The new enviro tactic - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bellcon · 06-08-2009, 01:54 PM

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Ok, someone yells at me or spits on me,I'll be sure to ignore it and calmly come ond get you to handle the situation for me. Thanks for that....

Dave,
your post almost always make me smile

"Excuse me Chris... I dont mean to interupt... but that Peta lady just yelled at me... and then Spit on me...Can you help a bother out...Please"

now back to the good points made by this post...
Thanks zenspearo!

zenspearo · 06-08-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bellcon

Dave,
your post almost always make me smile

"Excuse me Chris... I dont mean to interupt... but that Peta lady just yelled at me... and then Spit on me...Can you help a bother out...Please"

now back to the good points made by this post...
Thanks zenspearo!

That's exactly what you do. Okay, may be not in the exact language, but that's the smart play.

They have a lot of fanatics and end-justify-means people. Jim Day had been in the environmental movement in his past and can tell you. Do you want to get tangled in an assault lawsuit pressed by a fanatic who is angling to be a martyr for the cause?

Ideally, one of us will get the DFG. One of us will keep track of the person assaulting, and we'll work together to get the person arrested and get the incident on record (and preventing you, in your insanely pissed-off mood, from getting yourself in trouble just like they hope you would--just don't swing at us

).

Matt · 06-08-2009, 03:08 PM

Hmmmm....dirty tactics...false accusations...lying...kinda makes ya feel like they think they might lose eh????

I think we all know who we are and I must say I have attempted to try and be nice to the enviros who in turn stare at me with hateful eyes!! Oh well so much for goodwill and a fair fight!

fryguy · 06-08-2009, 04:31 PM

maybe we should have an extreme side....

you know, so we can have a better picture of where the "middle ground" is.....

hell, we should accuse them of everything they accuse us of

dsafety · 06-08-2009, 04:52 PM

I suppose there must be a fine perceptual line between someone who appears to be intimidating and one who is simply mad as hell. From my perspective, I see nothing wrong with letting everyone know that we are upset at the prospect of losing something that is very precious to us.

We are defending our rights here. Sure we must avoid unreasonable behavior but I see nothing wrong with showing a little outrage and righteous anger under the circumstances. If this is considered to be intimidation by some, so be it.

Am I missing something here?

Bob

Tman · 06-08-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dsafety

We are defending our rights here. Sure we must avoid unreasonable behavior but I see nothing wrong with showing a little outrage and righteous anger under the circumstances. If this is considered to be intimidation by some, so be it.

Am I missing something here?

Bob

Unfortunately, yes. When you have 100+ people that feel the same as you, then if even 1/2 of them react in the fashion you mentioned, showing a little outrage, therein lies the intimidation claim and rightly so...

Remember, some people will try anything to further their cause...even if it comes to lying...

Willy · 06-08-2009, 05:56 PM

I think the meat of this post shouldn't be lost;

STAY CLASSY.
Calling people tyrants and calling out individual members in front of the audience may get you high fives in the hallway, or popularity in highschool, but it does us no real good. It will be used as ammunition against us when the last battles are fought.

Hopefully calm and logic will prevail here and we won't get all of our freedom stripped away from us.

Our passion and our unity is our strength, but it must be focused and controlled. While a win for the envrionmentalists is just a feather in their cap, it is a change in lifestyle for us.

Imagine if we told them they can no longer be environmentalists. And conviened a 'blue ribbon task force' to make it law. They would have lost their civility far earlier than we have kept ours, and that is essentially what they are trying to do to us, is trying to tell us how to live our lives. Classic leftists.

We are on the right track here, just STAY CLASSY.

BTW Paul, Joe, Holy Greenback, and the few others who have been driving this bus, enough thanks can't be given for your efforts.
Maybe years in the future when you are bobbing in your 'yak in La Jolla, or silently sliding between kelp stringers with your gun at the ready, you'll feel some deep satisfaction. Because people came to take away your freedom, and you stood fast, and stood there with class and pride and said NO!

I will.

Willy

06-08-2009, 03:08 PM	#3
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Hmmmm....dirty tactics...false accusations...lying...kinda makes ya feel like they think they might lose eh???? I think we all know who we are and I must say I have attempted to try and be nice to the enviros who in turn stare at me with hateful eyes!! Oh well so much for goodwill and a fair fight! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

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06-08-2009, 04:31 PM	#4
fryguy Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san diego Posts: 33	maybe we should have an extreme side.... you know, so we can have a better picture of where the "middle ground" is..... hell, we should accuse them of everything they accuse us of

06-08-2009, 04:52 PM	#5
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	I suppose there must be a fine perceptual line between someone who appears to be intimidating and one who is simply mad as hell. From my perspective, I see nothing wrong with letting everyone know that we are upset at the prospect of losing something that is very precious to us. We are defending our rights here. Sure we must avoid unreasonable behavior but I see nothing wrong with showing a little outrage and righteous anger under the circumstances. If this is considered to be intimidation by some, so be it. Am I missing something here? Bob

06-08-2009, 05:56 PM	#7
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	I think the meat of this post shouldn't be lost; STAY CLASSY. Calling people tyrants and calling out individual members in front of the audience may get you high fives in the hallway, or popularity in highschool, but it does us no real good. It will be used as ammunition against us when the last battles are fought. Hopefully calm and logic will prevail here and we won't get all of our freedom stripped away from us. Our passion and our unity is our strength, but it must be focused and controlled. While a win for the envrionmentalists is just a feather in their cap, it is a change in lifestyle for us. Imagine if we told them they can no longer be environmentalists. And conviened a 'blue ribbon task force' to make it law. They would have lost their civility far earlier than we have kept ours, and that is essentially what they are trying to do to us, is trying to tell us how to live our lives. Classic leftists. We are on the right track here, just STAY CLASSY. BTW Paul, Joe, Holy Greenback, and the few others who have been driving this bus, enough thanks can't be given for your efforts. Maybe years in the future when you are bobbing in your 'yak in La Jolla, or silently sliding between kelp stringers with your gun at the ready, you'll feel some deep satisfaction. Because people came to take away your freedom, and you stood fast, and stood there with class and pride and said NO! I will. Willy