(MLPA) Kayakers: Speak up from your home/office. SAT mtg May 5th and BRTF May 8th! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 05-04-2009, 12:59 PM

Real easy BWE members!

This thread is getting lost, if you havent attended a meeting, due to school, work, kids, etc. Here you can do it without leaving you desk. Please contribute, the more voices heard from us consumptives, the better.

Reserve your reservation now at:

https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/411343984

See Joe's intial post about what to talk about. It will be like a phone conversation, just pre-type it.

Anyone?

zenspearo · 05-04-2009, 02:38 PM

Updated information.

Many of you asked me via PMs and emails on how to speak at the telecon.

Since this information is not found on the DFG MLPA site, I called Sacramento's MLPAI number.

Here's the deal.

When you first call in (say SAT meeting on Tuesday May 5th--Toll free phone number: 800.697.5978), you will be asked to say your name, and your name will be associated with the line you are on.

When the time comes for public comment, the operator will announce that those who want to comment need to enter a code (usually *1) and your line/name will be entered into a queue. The operator then calls the speaker based on the queue.

Also, I asked whether we would have one minute or 3 minutes to speak. Answer: We don't know. (Advice: prepare a one minute speech and a 3 minute speech. There is no telling how long you will have but it's going to be either 1 minute or some duration between 1 minute and 3 minutes).

Also, I asked when the materials will be available for review, being the meeting is tomorrow. Answer: Don't know.

Also, I asked what's the mechanism/steps for ceding time. Answer: Don't know (but she did say she will get back to me on that).

This is from the MLPAI itself. So much for their process. You'd figure they would have this information available for the public somewhere by now or have their act together. Nope.

Tman · 05-04-2009, 02:42 PM

Clay and I are in, ya know that Chris.

Send me a PM, let me know how we can coordinate what we are to speak about.

I would like to touch on the issue brought up about kelp habitat being a decisive factor, and one thing really striked me as odd...LJ kep/habitat is bountiful, very diverse fishery, and with CP going to the dogs literally, you shut down LJ, the pinnipeds will have a field day. And once you have unlimited food supply, just imagine the consequences. Excess breeding will bring serious ramifications; look what the pinnipeds did to CP. Wiped out the fish population, and polluted the water.

And once the pinniped population is to the point of being out of control, something will come in and thin the herds. When they have no human competition, the only apex predator for them to combat with will be GW's.

Now, I'm all for GW's. Top of the food chain. But what are the swimmers, tourists, recreational divers and the likes, gonna say when we have a spate of GW attacks? Think of the CA mountain lion...at one point, deer were plentiful. They grew in numbers, decimated the deer population, and focused their meals elsewhere, mainly the ranchers' stocks. What happens once the LJ fishery is depleted by the pinnipeds? It will be a field day for the GW's, who will go after the pinnipeds, since their comsumptives are depleted. Do they plan to declare an open moratorium on GW's?

I really don't think that this closure is being thought of in regards to future ramifications. I think they are more concerned with getting an early victory, and adjusting their strategy as each new obstacle is presented before them, with no thought of the consequences of their actions.

Just my dos centavos....

SeaDog · 05-04-2009, 10:59 PM

I'm in; let me know if we're coordinating our efforts.

For any of the kayak fishermen out there who have not yet joined the effort, please start now while there is still time. To those that are representing us and those that our organizing the information, thank you for your time and effort.

tylerdurden · 05-05-2009, 01:15 PM

Couldn't get on the phone from work today. Any one else have an issue. I did get to the phone a little late though?

I can't watch via the web at work either. It's blocked.

Holy Mackerel · 05-05-2009, 01:25 PM

I couldn't download the software at work, someone on spearboard, posted another link for streaming audio, of course, work blocked it as well... Hope others could chime in!

PAL · 05-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Heck of a way to perform the public's business, isn't it?

05-04-2009, 02:42 PM	#3
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Clay and I are in, ya know that Chris. Send me a PM, let me know how we can coordinate what we are to speak about. I would like to touch on the issue brought up about kelp habitat being a decisive factor, and one thing really striked me as odd...LJ kep/habitat is bountiful, very diverse fishery, and with CP going to the dogs literally, you shut down LJ, the pinnipeds will have a field day. And once you have unlimited food supply, just imagine the consequences. Excess breeding will bring serious ramifications; look what the pinnipeds did to CP. Wiped out the fish population, and polluted the water. And once the pinniped population is to the point of being out of control, something will come in and thin the herds. When they have no human competition, the only apex predator for them to combat with will be GW's. Now, I'm all for GW's. Top of the food chain. But what are the swimmers, tourists, recreational divers and the likes, gonna say when we have a spate of GW attacks? Think of the CA mountain lion...at one point, deer were plentiful. They grew in numbers, decimated the deer population, and focused their meals elsewhere, mainly the ranchers' stocks. What happens once the LJ fishery is depleted by the pinnipeds? It will be a field day for the GW's, who will go after the pinnipeds, since their comsumptives are depleted. Do they plan to declare an open moratorium on GW's? I really don't think that this closure is being thought of in regards to future ramifications. I think they are more concerned with getting an early victory, and adjusting their strategy as each new obstacle is presented before them, with no thought of the consequences of their actions. Just my dos centavos.... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

05-05-2009, 01:15 PM	#5
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Couldn't get on the phone from work today. Any one else have an issue. I did get to the phone a little late though? I can't watch via the web at work either. It's blocked. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

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05-04-2009, 12:59 PM	#1
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Real easy BWE members! This thread is getting lost, if you havent attended a meeting, due to school, work, kids, etc. Here you can do it without leaving you desk. Please contribute, the more voices heard from us consumptives, the better. Reserve your reservation now at: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/411343984 See Joe's intial post about what to talk about. It will be like a phone conversation, just pre-type it. Anyone?

05-04-2009, 02:38 PM	#2
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Updated information. Many of you asked me via PMs and emails on how to speak at the telecon. Since this information is not found on the DFG MLPA site, I called Sacramento's MLPAI number. Here's the deal. When you first call in (say SAT meeting on Tuesday May 5th--Toll free phone number: 800.697.5978), you will be asked to say your name, and your name will be associated with the line you are on. When the time comes for public comment, the operator will announce that those who want to comment need to enter a code (usually *1) and your line/name will be entered into a queue. The operator then calls the speaker based on the queue. Also, I asked whether we would have one minute or 3 minutes to speak. Answer: We don't know. (Advice: prepare a one minute speech and a 3 minute speech. There is no telling how long you will have but it's going to be either 1 minute or some duration between 1 minute and 3 minutes). Also, I asked when the materials will be available for review, being the meeting is tomorrow. Answer: Don't know. Also, I asked what's the mechanism/steps for ceding time. Answer: Don't know (but she did say she will get back to me on that). This is from the MLPAI itself. So much for their process. You'd figure they would have this information available for the public somewhere by now or have their act together. Nope.

05-04-2009, 10:59 PM	#4
SeaDog Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Orange County Posts: 47	I'm in; let me know if we're coordinating our efforts. For any of the kayak fishermen out there who have not yet joined the effort, please start now while there is still time. To those that are representing us and those that our organizing the information, thank you for your time and effort.

05-05-2009, 01:25 PM	#6
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	I couldn't download the software at work, someone on spearboard, posted another link for streaming audio, of course, work blocked it as well... Hope others could chime in!

05-05-2009, 02:34 PM	#7
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Heck of a way to perform the public's business, isn't it?