Bend over and grab your ankles...

[Mahigeer]

Originally Posted by Pocoloco

If there isnt enough money for a review then there isnt enough money to enforce the areas. I say f@ck em, Fish it.

I would not recommend it.

I just got back from fishing the Mole in Catalina. There I heard about others, and actually talk to two anglers that had to come to Catalina to pay fines.

All due to fishing in MLPA area around Catalina.

[chris138]

Good. Keep them closed. MPAs are working. Anyone who disagrees probably hasn't fished next to one lately. I see 50 boats and yaks in the cove just crushing the YT, fishing frozen squid in the middle of the winter, taking more fish than they can eat, not even thinking about releasing a fish, and yet complaining about how their rights are being violated? Please. You don't even realize how good we have it. I say lower the YT limit to 3 per angler and keep the MPAs permanently.

I do agree there should be more of an effort to demonstrate the effectiveness of the MPAs, since it's tax dollars and license revenue which pay to enforce the laws.

[ctfphoto]

I am a tree hugger and I kill a lot of really Big fish.

I absolutely Love having MLPA's in La Jolla, PROTECTING that awesome biodiverse undersea world and fishery.

Sometimes really Big Fish venture out from these protected areas

[rhyak]

WOW, some responses amaze me.

But to respond to the original post. As I have said before WELCOME to the Club. We have been dealing with this BS for 10 years and the first review is just starting up so we shall see what happens.

RH

p.s. Chris138 not sure if your aware but the MLPA and the fish being caught have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Its CALLED EL NINO
Water temps are still at a all time High for January even after all these storms. The Bonita I caught in Monterey County on New Years must have been caused by the MLPA as well. Those post are just what they love to see.

[chris138]

Originally Posted by rhyak

WOW, some responses amaze me.

But to respond to the original post. As I have said before WELCOME to the Club. We have been dealing with this BS for 10 years and the first review is just starting up so we shall see what happens.

RH

p.s. Chris138 not sure if your aware but the MLPA and the fish being caught have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Its CALLED EL NINO
Water temps are still at a all time High for January even after all these storms. The Bonita I caught in Monterey County on New Years must have been caused by the MLPA as well. Those post are just what they love to see.

I guess you have been missing out the last 8 years then. By the way our warm water is not due to El Niño per say...

http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/news/featu...nino/index.cfm

[GregAndrew]

Originally Posted by chris138

I guess you have been missing out the last 8 years then. By the way our warm water is not due to El Niño per say...

http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/news/featu...nino/index.cfm

Chris, MPAs have nothing to do with YT and WSB fishing catches over the last several years (nor were they ever designed to). 3 years of good Squid spawns followed by a couple of warm water years (even in winter) have brought and kept more YT year round. Are your trying to claim that there has been 8 years of great fishing? I can tell you that in 2010, all of the participants of the WCW were unable to submit just a single fish per month. Whether you call it El Nino or the Blob, it is warm water that has enabled the great wintertime YT fishing the last 2 years.

I would agree that MPAs can be a great thing in the right area, at the right time and instituted correctly. Unfortunately, this is not the case in the MLPA process in Ca. They did not even follow the basic guidlines set forth by the MPA Handbook. The biggest irony of the process was that they were saying there would be "spillover" outside to the MPAs while the design of the size of the MPAs was to prevent the resident fish from roaming outside. Some might argue that the eggs are the spillover, but that holds little water. The tiny critters that hatch from the eggs (if they survive that long) will be greeted by millions of hungry predators with little to nowhere to hide (the MPAs encompass most kelp and structure around them).

[driftwood]

Give the MLPA an inch and they will take a mile. The only reason we can fish in La Jolla now is due to the collective defense efforts of the fishing enthusiasts.

The MLPA is mostly empowered by deep pocket special interest groups. The MLPA are an extreme imbalanced Nazi group. If it was up to them, they would love to close off all of La Jolla and confiscate all our fishing gear.

The MLPA is NOT closing fishing grounds just so you can catch more and bigger fish in the future. Their ultimate agenda is to completely commit genocide to the fishing industry.

[chris138]

Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Chris, MPAs have nothing to do with YT and WSB fishing catches over the last several years (nor were they ever designed to). 3 years of good Squid spawns followed by a couple of warm water years (even in winter) have brought and kept more YT year round. Are your trying to claim that there has been 8 years of great fishing? I can tell you that in 2010, all of the participants of the WCW were unable to submit just a single fish per month. Whether you call it El Nino or the Blob, it is warm water that has enabled the great wintertime YT fishing the last 2 years.

I would agree that MPAs can be a great thing in the right area, at the right time and instituted correctly. Unfortunately, this is not the case in the MLPA process in Ca. They did not even follow the basic guidlines set forth by the MPA Handbook. The biggest irony of the process was that they were saying there would be "spillover" outside to the MPAs while the design of the size of the MPAs was to prevent the resident fish from roaming outside. Some might argue that the eggs are the spillover, but that holds little water. The tiny critters that hatch from the eggs (if they survive that long) will be greeted by millions of hungry predators with little to nowhere to hide (the MPAs encompass most kelp and structure around them).

Greg I want you to know that I respect you and your defense of this point. You have always been a positive influence in this community. But there are very few individuals on BWE who can legitimately claim to know the slightest thing about the life-cycle of pelagic fish. There are some genetic data to support the "homegaurd hypothesis". If it is true that YT are resident in the LJ area and spend a significant part of their lives in the waters surrounding the MPA, how can you claim that protecting that area has NO effect on YT population? Scientific evidence goes both ways, but you can't develop an effective policy based off a null hypothesis.

2010 was an epic squid bite year for many. Just not at any of the nests WCW participants were fishing I guess. My point is not that a specific MPA protects or doesn't protect a certain species or zone. Clearly that conversation should be dictated purely by science, of which there is little. The question is, do something or do nothing? Personally, after watching the kooks in la jolla my entire life, I would not trust the future of our fishery to their judgement. Certainly not to their scientific appraisal of the effectiveness of conservation measures.

My point is this: why are the people with the most to gain from conservation, so adamantly against it? We kayak fishers could have a very real contribution to make towards preserving our natural resource. Whether its tagging fish, taking samples, collecting data, submitting heads, volunteering at Hubbs etc. Some of us do this, yet many firmly place themselves "across the table" (as the OP put it) from scientists and policy makers; basically ensuring that our concerns are completely ignored?

[Saba Slayer]

rhyak said..."WOW, some responses amaze me."
Me too...really makes me wonder what side of the table some of these kayakers would have been on during the stakeholder negotiations.

[cabojohn]

Originally Posted by chris138

Good. Keep them closed. MPAs are working. Anyone who disagrees probably hasn't fished next to one lately. Please. You don't even realize how good we have it. keep the MPAs permanently.

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blah blah blah...STFU
shame on you for posting this chit donkey show.
Your MPA loving ass should be banned.